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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 11, 2008 17:38:48 GMT -5
I'm the one "bitching" haha My JOB here (part of it anyway) is to judge trades. I judge this one unfair. ATL is right. You're going off on personal attacks and trying to confuse the issue at hand, which is simply that this trade is unfair. I have already rejected it and nothing will change it. Stop being a baby. Show me where I personally attacked anyone? Atlanta threatened me but other than that I haven't seen one personal attack. I've questioning logic and I still think at some point you will see that this isn't unfair trade but I could be wrong. |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Aug 11, 2008 17:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Aug 11, 2008 18:40:59 GMT -5
IMo this trade is acceptable... Pierce is better than butler right now, but Butler is younger, cheaper and will be on Pierce's level in a few years probably...
But this is getting crazy and personal so I wont say too much.
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Post by Orlando Magic on Aug 11, 2008 18:54:21 GMT -5
Mother of God. I leave for one day and come back to this garbage.
1) I am probably going to delete this thread because we specifically state NO NO NO NO one outside of CM's and those involved in the trade can post in the trade thread.
2) Take your petty argument about whatever it is you are talking about from that other garbage league and make a new thread in general discussion/PM/AIM/whatever it is u kids talk on
3) I am reserving my own vote until SEA lets us know for sure whether we can deal 2010 draft picks. If we can't I would suggest just taking it out period.
4) Assuming you can trade it, I honestly believe this is not anywhere near the unfair trades that have passed in the past. Caron is similar to Pierce, salaries are similar, the trash players that u guys included are similar and those picks will be upper 60's rated. Essentially this is a deal Pierce for Butler and a bunch of no name, bench players around them for salary reasons and for filling CLE pitiful guard selection. So my conclusion is an ACCEPT. (I need to bold that because there are so many posts I have no idea what is a vote and what isn't)
5) If anyone disagrees/agrees/whatever the hell you guys have been doing here for three freaking pages with my decision. Deal with it and post it in a new thread NOT in the trade threads. This only makes things confusing and jumbles up the post so I can't see who accepted or who didn't. So I don't want to hear back from LAC/ATL/CHA/CLE/anyone about my decision in this thread. Elsewhere...fine, great, encouraged actually!
Total vote so far:
UTA - Reject
LAC - Reject
ORL - Accept
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 11, 2008 18:54:31 GMT -5
Come on guys. 62 posts in a god damn trade thread. For a CM, like myself, I dont want to sift through each post and read everyones garbage. I want to decide for myself. Please avoid posting in trade threads.
Please create discussion threads if you would like to get your voice heard.
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Post by Orlando Magic on Aug 11, 2008 18:58:02 GMT -5
P.S. I will delete any new post in this thread dealing with anything other than CM votes
Good bye LAL new post, paste it elsewhere
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 11, 2008 19:00:29 GMT -5
Come on guys. 62 posts in a god damn trade thread. For a CM, like myself, I dont want to sift through each post and read everyones garbage. I want to decide for myself. Please avoid posting in trade threads. Please create discussion threads if you would like to get your voice heard. For what it's worth, after I saw what had happened here I edited a previous post on the first page to warn you guys to just vote, and not read all this stuff. I am sorry that I contributed to it getting out of hand here, and I posted a couple times that non CM members should not be posting...but I'm not a MOD so I couldn't really do anything about it. Sorry again, feel free to vote as you see fit obviously. Just voiced my opinion which I thought is what I was supposed to do. |
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 11, 2008 19:02:08 GMT -5
LAC, my man, its ok to defend your argument when it is brought up. I dont believe you are at fault here.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 11, 2008 19:05:12 GMT -5
LAC, my man, its ok to defend your argument when it is brought up. I dont believe you are at fault here. Thanks SEA. Means a lot for real. I was waiting for some other mods to chime in here one way or another. Alright well I'm done then in this thread. Thanks for listening! |
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 11, 2008 19:30:03 GMT -5
Well, I just read this entire thread and all I have to say is WOW.
2010 picks cannot be traded yet. It clearly states in the rules that you may only trade picks that involve the current season and the one after that. Once the draft is complete, then you may start dealing 2010 picks, as that is when our season rolls over.
You guys have a few options. 1, CLE and CHA, you should discuss to see if you both approve with the pick taken out. Or 2, re-work the deal as a whole.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 11, 2008 19:35:49 GMT -5
Sorry if I shouldn't be posting here
I think everyone agrees we should take the 2010 1st out and I have no problem with it and I'm sure CLE doesnt, if you want me to I'll edit it.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 11, 2008 19:38:28 GMT -5
Sorry if I shouldn't be posting hereI think everyone agrees we should take the 2010 1st out and I have no problem with it and I'm sure CLE doesnt, if you want me to I'll edit it. Yea go ahead and edit it |
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 11, 2008 19:50:28 GMT -5
Done! And sorry if I caused problems SEA and ORL  |
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 12, 2008 1:51:23 GMT -5
Ill accept
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 12, 2008 10:17:59 GMT -5
Accepted:ORL SEA RejectedLAC UTA So it's 2-2, I would love to hear from NOH and CHI. Not trying to rush anyone but just know it's here! 
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 12, 2008 15:30:18 GMT -5
I just need to say one thing. I know i'm not supposed to be posting in this thread, but if i post here i know people will read it and take it in more than they would in a trade discussion thread.
The trade committe, in my opinion, is a safety net. A safety net for stupid gm's. For GM's that are brand new in a sim league, for GM's that would do LeBron James for Tony Parker.
Clippers, You stated earlier that part of your job as a TC member is to reject trades that are unfair and accept trades that are fair. Well, quite frankly, it shouldn't be. Trades always are going to have one team getting the better end of the deal. And in your opinion it was Charlotte. I'm perfectly fine with your opinion. In my opinion, It works for both teams. I like Paul Pierce better than Caron Butler. I like having Mike James better than Sarunas Jasikivicus or Courtney Lee or Kyle Weaver (Who i wouldve picked with 16) as my Starting Shooting Guard. I personally could care less about cap space until 2011 when i have to re-sign Pierce, Curry and probably Elton Brand, who i would re-sign next year. Charlotte likes younger players and cap space. I don't need younger players or cap space. It favors me next year, and Charlotte in the years ahead. Its a trade. Im trading youth for prime.
As soon as you stop letting experienced, veteran GM's fully control thier team, you start to lose the freedom and greatness as a sim league. And thats what im afraid of. Me and Charlotte have been in sim leagues for years. It's not like were some newbie sim leagers coming in and destroying our teams. I love sim leagues. I love sports. NBA Legends is the best sim league i've been in. Seattle is the best admin i've ever seen. And i hope it lasts for a long time.
I just want to voice my opinion that the TC should be a safety net, not a jury.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 12, 2008 15:37:19 GMT -5
Alright, well obviously a trade likely will favor one side over the other in some way or another in most cases. What I meant was to reject deals that I believe are TOO unfair to pass. Just my opinion. I agree with what you're saying, you just took my comment out of context. Thanks  |
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 12, 2008 22:08:18 GMT -5
Alright, well obviously a trade likely will favor one side over the other in some way or another in most cases. What I meant was to reject deals that I believe are TOO unfair to pass. Just my opinion. I agree with what you're saying, you just took my comment out of context. Thanks If you agreed with what i was saying, you wouldn't reject a trade that two veteran GM's proposed. We gave our reasons for doing this trade, we know what we are doing. I didn't take your comment out of context, because you still are abusing your power as a TC Member. Just in my opinion. Please read my whole post before. |
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 12, 2008 22:50:25 GMT -5
As much as I disagree, LAC and UTA have a right to there opinion and EVERYTHING has been said that could be said. I just wish we could get this resolved asap.... |
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 6:50:47 GMT -5
Cleveland, if the only reason we had a TC was to stop "newbie" GM's from doing something they shouldn't because they didn't know better, we wouldn't have a TC at all. All we would really need is Seattle saying "Hey sorry, I can't let this fly, this guy doesn't know what he's doing."
We have a TC to have some different minded people on the staff. I personally think this trade is unfair for you, and not just, "oh I think you could get an 88 instead of an 87" or something stupid like that. I think it's too unfair to pass. Just my opinion. It does get better with that one 1st rounder out...and I'd probably accept IF Charlotte didn't clear so much salary this year AND next year. If I thought he won maybe 3 parts and you won 2 that's fine...as of now I feel like he wins in 5 parts of the deal, and overall that favors him too much.
Anyway, just my opinion, which is why I'm here. Again, if all we needed a TC for was to stop "newbie" GMs from doing something dumb, we would only need Seattle.
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