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CLE/MIN
Mar 18, 2008 20:17:31 GMT -5
Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Mar 18, 2008 20:17:31 GMT -5
Minnesota Trades: 82 |Eddy Curry----$8,947,543----$9,723,983---$10,500,423--- $11,276,863 87 |Caron Butler--$8,218,990---$8,999,980---$9,780,970--$10,561,960 73 |T. Hassell------$4,350,000---$4,350,000---$4,350,000
Minnesota Recieves: Ray Allen (88) $16,000,000 ------------------ $17,388,430 ------------- $18,776,860 J.R. Smith (75) $2,137,064 Keyon Dooling (73) $3,596,000 2009 1st Round Pick
Total Incoming Salary: $21,733,064 Total Outgoing Salary: $21,516,533
Cleveland Trades: Ray Allen (88) $16,000,000 ------------------ $17,388,430 ------------- $18,776,860 J.R. Smith (75) $2,137,064 Keyon Dooling (73) $3,596,000 2009 1st Round Pick
Cleveland Recieves: 82 |Eddy Curry----$8,947,543----$9,723,983---$10,500,423--- $11,276,863 87 |Caron Butler--$8,218,990---$8,999,980---$9,780,970--$10,561,960 73 |T. Hassell------$4,350,000---$4,350,000---$4,350,000
Total Outgoing Salary: $21,733,064 Total Incoming Salary: $21,516,533
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CLE/MIN
Mar 18, 2008 20:19:49 GMT -5
Post by New Jersey Nets on Mar 18, 2008 20:19:49 GMT -5
looks like someone really underrated Curry...he is a beast in sim leagues
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CLE/MIN
Mar 18, 2008 20:20:26 GMT -5
Post by bigchipp77 - MIN on Mar 18, 2008 20:20:26 GMT -5
i like it, young players, draft pick, and i have a man crush on allen no homo, or just take it howver you want to
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CLE/MIN
Mar 18, 2008 20:26:32 GMT -5
Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Mar 18, 2008 20:26:32 GMT -5
i accept. butler is a personal fave of mine, and this trade gives me room to start my tandem of udrih and stuckey at guard. i like allen alot... (no hetero) lol jk, and hate to see him go. I also hate giving away that pick, but i get curry, which allows me to start brand at power forward.
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CLE/MIN
Mar 18, 2008 21:13:55 GMT -5
Post by Detroit Pistons on Mar 18, 2008 21:13:55 GMT -5
no offence guys but this looks really unfair clev is gettin way to much for allen
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CLE/MIN
Mar 18, 2008 21:53:07 GMT -5
Post by Utah Jazz on Mar 18, 2008 21:53:07 GMT -5
I reject. Butler >>> Allen at this point and in the future, and then you add Curry, who as noted by NJ, is a good sim league player. The only good thing for Minnesota is getting a 1st round pick for Hassell, since he would have to re-sign Smith as well as Gordon (if he gets him).
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 1:09:50 GMT -5
Post by Chicago Bulls on Mar 19, 2008 1:09:50 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree with Utah (again) and reject. Butler is younger then Allan and has a better contract and Curry may be an underachiever in real life but he is a good solid sim league player.
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 6:35:18 GMT -5
Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Mar 19, 2008 6:35:18 GMT -5
My only question about this deal is this...Curry is good in sim leagues, but his 82 ranking is helping a lot. As a center, is he really better than Bogut in real life? just one example there. I'm just asking, will his rating take a hit this offseason? it probably should...
Butler definitely better than Allen...he's younger, rated basically the same, and has a much better contract, which is also longer. Advantage Cleveland.
Dooling vs. Hassell...I'd really prefer Dooling as he's expiring and I'd rather not have either personally. Hassell's rating could go down as well, what has he done this year? I'd rather have Dooling's expiring than pay hassell for 3 years. Advantage Minny
Curry vs. JR Smith/1st rounder...seems fairly even...yes Smith will need to be resigned, but as far as ratings go, Curry is overrated right now. I honestly never thought his rating should've gone up this significantly when we did ratings changes in this league, but ah well. I'd maybe give slight advantage to Cleveland based on needing to sign Smith.
Overall though I don't personally think it's that bad to need rejected.
I'll Accept.
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 16:47:50 GMT -5
Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Mar 19, 2008 16:47:50 GMT -5
Curry is a boosted 82 LAC. Hes truly an 80. But I do see where he is still a bit overrated. Even if he is overrated, big men are still valued a bit higher than SG's , a la JR Smith, and that is the reason why I will be rejecting this trade. Curry has far more value due to him being a center. There aren't that many true centers that are better than him.
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 19:05:17 GMT -5
Post by New Orleans Hornets on Mar 19, 2008 19:05:17 GMT -5
yeah i'll reject this too
even though Curry is overrated he is still a good sim player along with butler and big men are valued a bit higher just like SEA said
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 20:00:30 GMT -5
Post by Orlando Magic on Mar 19, 2008 20:00:30 GMT -5
Not a chance, Ray Ray is great...but way overpaid and overrated IMO.
Curry is a pretty solid sim-big man and Butler is nasty! I don't like this trade for MIN, declined
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 21:53:21 GMT -5
Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Mar 19, 2008 21:53:21 GMT -5
wow. no room to breath at all during trades i assume, but its expected after all, since the trade committe do have teams in this league and dont want to see anyone get any bit of advantage if its not thier own.
Kudos to LAC though, hes the only one who legitamately broke this trade down (well most thouroughly, SEA and UTAH had good arguments) and the only one who mentioned the pick.
btw Detroit, maybe he values allen alot, just like you value Rodney Stuckey and Amir Johnson like Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 22:01:54 GMT -5
Post by New Jersey Nets on Mar 19, 2008 22:01:54 GMT -5
IMO the trade isnt acceptable because of Curry being traded for things that dont have the same value...he is good in sim leagues, can do double doubles pretty easily and big man have a higher value which isnt Smith/Dooling...cuz IMO the trade is Allen/09 1st for Butler and Smith/Dooling for Curry which isnt fair IMHO
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 22:04:56 GMT -5
Post by Detroit Pistons on Mar 19, 2008 22:04:56 GMT -5
wow. no room to breath at all during trades i assume, but its expected after all, since the trade committe do have teams in this league and dont want to see anyone get any bit of advantage if its not thier own. Kudos to LAC though, hes the only one who legitamately broke this trade down (well most thouroughly, SEA and UTAH had good arguments) and the only one who mentioned the pick. btw Detroit, maybe he values allen alot, just like you value Rodney Stuckey and Amir Johnson like Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen who said that? and comon the cm's know what they are doing dont bash them just because ur mad that ur trade didnt go through Butler>Allen Curry,Hassel>J.R.,Dooling,Pick
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 22:39:40 GMT -5
Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Mar 19, 2008 22:39:40 GMT -5
how is this trade fair? like seriously.
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CLE/MIN
Mar 19, 2008 23:44:05 GMT -5
Post by Utah Jazz on Mar 19, 2008 23:44:05 GMT -5
wow. no room to breath at all during trades i assume, but its expected after all, since the trade committe do have teams in this league and dont want to see anyone get any bit of advantage if its not thier own. Kudos to LAC though, hes the only one who legitamately broke this trade down (well most thouroughly, SEA and UTAH had good arguments) and the only one who mentioned the pick. btw Detroit, maybe he values allen alot, just like you value Rodney Stuckey and Amir Johnson like Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen That's not why we reject and accept trades...I honestly don't look to get any advantage on other teams, and if I did, why would I reject it then? I have Minny's pick, he's in my division, and he's the one getting screwed. I only see you twice a year at most. Caron Butler (87) at 28 years of age vs. Ray Allen (88) at 32 years of age: Obvious advantage to Butler, he's younger, 1 point lower (big deal), and is playing his ass off this season. Eddy Curry ( 82) at age 25 vs. J.R. Smith (75) age 22 and the '09 1st: I give Curry the advantage here. He's good in sim leagues, double double every night. Smith I would say is at his max right now, and he's only really a 3pt shooter for a team at best. In sim leagues, I would much rather build around Curry than Smith. Not to mention the 'Wolves would have a jam already with Gordon and Allen (with this trade) at guard and Crawford at SF. Added on to that is the fact that Minnesota still has to re-sign Smith if he gets him. Hassell (73) vs. Dooling (73): I don't factor in age here, since it's all salary management. Dooling is the better half here, not enough to even things out at all. Hope that helps with my breakdown so you don't breakdown. Detroit can value those guys all he wants, but when it comes down to trade voting, the CM's will see them for what they really are, and not what he does. Same goes here.
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CLE/MIN
Mar 20, 2008 8:08:02 GMT -5
Post by New Jersey Nets on Mar 20, 2008 8:08:02 GMT -5
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CLE/MIN
Mar 20, 2008 10:20:28 GMT -5
Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Mar 20, 2008 10:20:28 GMT -5
It is true Curry is a good sim player, and when this trade was first posted and i said what i said about curry, i did not know he was boosted. That kind of stuff should be put in the original post...
but anyway, being a lifelong knick fan, I've recently had to see what Curry is all about, and it angers me very much. There may not be a "motivation" or "hard working" stat in sim leagues, but because he lacks motivation and doesn't seem to want to work on his game, he's really not much better than the player he was when he came into the league, out of high school, 6 years ago. even before boost, he is an 80 which is just too high. He doesn't play defense worth a shit, and doesn't hustle. I will definitely admit, when he feels like it, he can dominate offensively, but the fact that he's getting double doubles in the league attests to the fact that he's way overrated in this league...he rarely gets 8 or 9 boards a game in real life, and I thought we made a big move to make this league more like real-life? am i missing something?
anyway...
I can see why you all would reject it, if I look at it from a different point of view...but I myself think Smith is a great shooter, will play solid defense, get a couple steals, couple boards and assists, and give a pretty good overall game. I wouldn't mind starting him at SG. Utah has a good point with Minny having Allen/Crawford/Smith at basically SG...and making one play SF out of their element a little bit, i'll grant that, but I think we're undervaluing the 1st round pick.
Allen is looked at as really old, but 32 vs. 28 isn't a huge deal. Allen should stay rated in the upper 80's for a few years yet, and Butler will be right there with him, maybe reaching the 90's. ADVANTAGE CLEVELAND...especially with lower salary of Caron.
Dooling vs. Hassell simply ADVANTAGE MINNESOTA...expiring contract, both guys are kinda just bleh, plus Dooling's expiring money should be enough to sign JR Smith.
JR Smith/1st rounder from Minny vs. Eddy Curry. WASH/PUSH whatever you wanna call it. This is just my opinion here guys, which I think it's good we might have some differing opinions on the trade committee, but I think people are seeing things they want to see or not seeing things they don't want to see in this deal.
I'd still accept it, it's just not that lopsided to reject for me, personally....
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CLE/MIN
Mar 20, 2008 11:10:53 GMT -5
Post by New Jersey Nets on Mar 20, 2008 11:10:53 GMT -5
Utah has a good point with Minny having Allen/Crawford/Smith at basically SG...and making one play SF out of their element a little bit, i'll grant that, but I think we're undervaluing the 1st round pick. and he has BG too who he might have to play him at PG which isnt that cool.
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CLE/MIN
Mar 20, 2008 15:26:54 GMT -5
Post by Chicago Bulls on Mar 20, 2008 15:26:54 GMT -5
It is true Curry is a good sim player, and when this trade was first posted and i said what i said about curry, i did not know he was boosted. That kind of stuff should be put in the original post... but anyway, being a lifelong knick fan, I've recently had to see what Curry is all about, and it angers me very much. There may not be a "motivation" or "hard working" stat in sim leagues, but because he lacks motivation and doesn't seem to want to work on his game, he's really not much better than the player he was when he came into the league, out of high school, 6 years ago. even before boost, he is an 80 which is just too high. He doesn't play defense worth a shit, and doesn't hustle. I will definitely admit, when he feels like it, he can dominate offensively, but the fact that he's getting double doubles in the league attests to the fact that he's way overrated in this league...he rarely gets 8 or 9 boards a game in real life, and I thought we made a big move to make this league more like real-life? am i missing something? What your missing is that no matter how much we want to make this like real life is that we can't control every aspect of the game that is used to sim. So keeping that in mind an underachieving player in real life like Eddy Curry will be a top player at his position in NBA live.(and to be honest if it was an '08 pick I probably would accept.)
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