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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Feb 8, 2010 22:47:29 GMT -5
Cleveland Trades:
Elton Brand (86) $14,000,000--------------$12,000,000------------$10,000,000--------------$9,000,000
Cleveland Receives:
2009 New Orleans 2nd Round Pick [60th overall] 2010 Cleveland 1st Round Pick 2010 Sacramento 1st Round Pick Draft Rights to Alando Tucker (64)
Total Incoming:$0 Total Outgoing:$14,000,000
Sacramento Trades:
2009 New Orleans 2nd Round Pick [60th overall] 2010 Cleveland 1st Round Pick 2010 Sacramento 1st Round Pick Draft Rights to Alando Tucker (64)
Sacramento Receives:
Elton Brand (86) $14,000,000--------------$12,000,000------------$10,000,000--------------$9,000,000
Total Incoming: $14,000,000 Total Outgoing: $0
Both teams have the cap room to absorb this.. Sacramento at around $21 million and I around $7 million.
I was really close to letting Elton Brand go and just taking the cap space.. but the more i got offers for him the more I realized I could make something out of it instead of just the cap room, and I really like what I'm getting in return here in addition to the cap space.
I accept.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 8, 2010 22:50:36 GMT -5
I accept...I need the presence of a big wide body down low and brand will definately fill up the low post for us. We have a decent core to build on with Flynn/Felton/Scola/Griffin and now Brand. This team was in dire need of change and we fell this move is moving forward with that change.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 8, 2010 23:01:37 GMT -5
Sorry fellas but I have to reject this. I understand that Brand is on the downside of his career, but he is still a 86 in this league which is a very solid rating. I know for a fact that Cleveland can get much more than 2 1st Round Picks for Brand. Also you have to consider that in a bad Western Conference that with Brand, Scola, Griffin, Lee, Felton, and Williams if re-signed that he could possibly be a playoff team, which takes that pick out of the lottery.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Feb 8, 2010 23:11:55 GMT -5
Bullshit. You take him and try to get more for him.
I stated previously that I was just going to let him go for nothing, so this helps me out. I'm really tired of TC members telling me how to run my team by rejecting my trades when at the same time I make the playoffs every year. Stop telling me how to run my team, I've been in this league long enough and I know what I'm doing.
Sorry for the backlash, but I'm just speaking my mind. I hope the other committee members aren't this ignorant.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 8, 2010 23:21:15 GMT -5
lol cavs calm down, I know its not my place to speak but if u look at this deal if cavs getts rid of brand he automatically becomes shit excuse my language. But he does get control of his own dynasty by getting back his own pick. I don't know if tanking is legal but by doing this and keeping the same team he could be in a good position to land derick rose jr.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 8, 2010 23:35:21 GMT -5
What I like is when people say ... "you could have got so much more for him" or "I would have traded you XXX for him", well gents where the F were u guys when Cleveland was shopping him and why didn't you send in those offers? I believe Cleveland to be a very good owner who doesn't make off the wall decisions about his teams future. Obviously the offers he received weren't to his liking. I agree w what Denver said also, he's getting his pick back and depending on how my team does this next season my pick could be lotto bound or just outside of that...I've been a cellar dweller ever since I took over this team. Hell I'm just hoping to win more than 40 games.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 8, 2010 23:39:21 GMT -5
Just because I think he could get more for him doesn't mean I want him. It means he is worth more than 2 picks in my opinion. Also 41 wins won your division last year, so if you get to your goal your team could be top 4 in the west. Sorry if you don't agree, and your trade could very well still be approved.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 9, 2010 0:12:19 GMT -5
I'm with Boston, I think SAC ought at least throw in someone half way decent...maybe Jack/Williams/Scola?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 9, 2010 0:41:36 GMT -5
I gotta side with Sactown and Clevaland here, The value of getting back his pick is worth it IMO.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 9, 2010 0:48:39 GMT -5
If he makes the playoffs every year as he stated in his post, then why would he need a non lottery pick so bad, that he would give away his best player to get it.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 9, 2010 0:51:18 GMT -5
As most of you know, it's about rebuilding at some point.. Boston you're taking his comments to heart, he was venting and being pissed off that you guys were stopping his deal.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Feb 9, 2010 0:55:15 GMT -5
Cleveland, my man, we are looking at players who are rated in the high 60's with those 1st rounders. The 2nd Rounder this year is a mid to low 60's player. Tucker is an NBDL talent. How can you say this is the best offer you got?
86 for a 69, 68, 65, 64.
Brand will still be a low 80's player for another 2 seasons at the very least.
We aren't telling you or anyone how to run your team, but we are trying to keep trades fair. We dont want the balance of the league to change because of a poor trade.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 9, 2010 0:56:15 GMT -5
I don't take his comments seriously at all. I know it is frustration and thats fine by me. I just don't see this being a good deal for him. If he wants to rebuild fine, get some young players to go with the picks. Trading highly rated players for picks alone is very risky for 2 reasons. One, you don't know where those picks will end up. Two, the players you draft could be busts.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 9, 2010 1:01:09 GMT -5
The key word being COUlD be busts..
He wants his own fate, and that's an important thing.
If you're going to knowingly go young, then let him do it..
I did the same thing and nobody stopped me?
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Feb 9, 2010 1:03:09 GMT -5
Different situation SAS. You got picks along with young players and expiring contracts. IIRC, you got Tyrus, Felton, etc..
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Feb 9, 2010 1:06:50 GMT -5
You guys aren't hearing me out. He actually had Jack in this deal but I told him to take it out.. because I wanted the cap space.
And an 86 for a 69, 68, 64 and a 63 sounds a whole lot better than just losing an 86.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Feb 9, 2010 1:36:01 GMT -5
I'ma go against the grain here and accept. One of the coolest things in sim leagues is to see the different personalities of GM's and what they do with their team. Cleveland was 4th in the East this past season, he's rebuilding. Sacramento was 5th worst in the league, he's got pieces now to contend. Cleveland's been in this league long enough that I trust him to stick with us for the long run, so if he gets into a mess, he'll dig himself out of it. Everyone makes bad/questionable moves, but IMO, it doesn't matter unless they jump ship and leave a new GM with crap.
That's just me tho, feel free to disagree with me.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 9, 2010 1:40:30 GMT -5
I've said this once and I'll say it again and again and prolly again before it's all said and done...
You guys in all of your sim leagues seriously hold the rating of a player way too high. If I had offered Courtney Lee for a player rated 86 last year you guys woul have nixed it quick. But the fact that the same Courtney Lee rated as a 68 avg'd 16.1 for us last season. It's about PT and opportunity only ... but alot of owners make such a big deal out of the ratings. It's crazy.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 9, 2010 1:49:20 GMT -5
I'ma go against the grain here and accept. One of the coolest things in sim leagues is to see the different personalities of GM's and what they do with their team. Cleveland was 4th in the East this past season, he's rebuilding. Sacramento was 5th worst in the league, he's got pieces now to contend. Cleveland's been in this league long enough that I trust him to stick with us for the long run, so if he gets into a mess, he'll dig himself out of it. Everyone makes bad/questionable moves, but IMO, it doesn't matter unless they jump ship and leave a new GM with crap. That's just me tho, feel free to disagree with me. Ty Utah...
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Feb 9, 2010 1:49:26 GMT -5
Stats in a sim league are overrated SAC. Its ALL about ratings. Look at Utah. He won the championship because he had 2 90+ players. Did those 90+ players play the best for him this season? No, Kirk Hinrich did. But, why did Kirk play so well? Because he had 2 90+ players on the team with him.
What Courtney Lee does on your team in this league is irrelevant because it wont be the same if he was on another team.
Nevertheless, I really like Utah's points and will accept this deal. Cleveland wants a challenge, fine.
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