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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 9, 2010 11:21:42 GMT -5
Again the trade going through helps a revamped Kitty Kat get in the playoffs (with Cleveland out of the way) but I would give a lot more than this for Brand...or Allen I just don't get the logic of this but hey whatever I'm not on the TC for a reason.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 9, 2010 13:18:11 GMT -5
It also helps me, so I don't mind if it goes through. I just don't understand the logic of passing it through. As I stated in the shout box, I had a very similar deal with Denver. An aging superstar Jason Kidd for expiring contracts. That deal was shot down with hell no rejections. So this deal obviously isn't being accepted for the cap space, so all thats left are the picks. However it is so early in the off season that we have no idea what teams will look like when the season starts. We haven't even started free-agency in this league. Plus the fact that Cleveland gets his pick back almost encourages him to lose. He just lost his star player for nothing of any help this season and he gets his pick back. Sacremento has had a very good off season with the additions of Felton, Griffin, Scola, and possibly Brand, add that to Lee, Williams, and Jack. His team could very well win what is the worst division in this league. Like I stated earlier we have no idea what Cleveland's team will look like when the season starts so it is hard to predict where his team will finish. When all is said and done we could be looking at a deal of picks somewhere in the 10th and 18th range for a star player. I don't see how that alone is acceptable. If this was done around the trade deadline when we would have more of a clear picture where these picks would end up it would possibly be different. But to trade a star player for picks alone this early in the off season process is a bad move, plain and simple. There are a handful of teams in this league that don't even have an 86 rated player, and now we are going to start letting teams hand them out. I understand Cleveland doesn't want to lose him for nothing, but that is his choice to let him walk if he so chooses. However once he decides to trade him it is our job as a committee to make sure he gets value for him, and the picks mentioned above don't cut it for an 86 player. If he got a player such as an Eric Gordon (just mentioning him because LAL did in the shout box) along with a pick or picks this would be fine. This way it helps him rebuild, he gets a player on a rookie contract and if the picks end up not being that great it wouldn't be horrible as he got a nice young player already in the deal. Just my opinion.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 9, 2010 13:35:46 GMT -5
To finish one of my points. There are 8 teams in the league that don't have an 86 rated player on their roster, and 2 other teams who's highest rated player is an 86. So that is 10 teams who if you added Brand to their roster he would be the highest or tied for highest rated player. In other words, one third of the league. An 86 is to valuable to be given away for this.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 9, 2010 13:50:51 GMT -5
Lee and Williams aren't going to be on the team when this next trade goes to post...just so everyone knows and I may not have the cap room to sign jack if the brand trade and my other one go thru.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Feb 9, 2010 15:41:26 GMT -5
It also helps me, so I don't mind if it goes through. I just don't understand the logic of passing it through. As I stated in the shout box, I had a very similar deal with Denver. An aging superstar Jason Kidd for expiring contracts. That deal was shot down with hell no rejections. So this deal obviously isn't being accepted for the cap space, so all thats left are the picks. However it is so early in the off season that we have no idea what teams will look like when the season starts. We haven't even started free-agency in this league. Plus the fact that Cleveland gets his pick back almost encourages him to lose. He just lost his star player for nothing of any help this season and he gets his pick back. Sacremento has had a very good off season with the additions of Felton, Griffin, Scola, and possibly Brand, add that to Lee, Williams, and Jack. His team could very well win what is the worst division in this league. Like I stated earlier we have no idea what Cleveland's team will look like when the season starts so it is hard to predict where his team will finish. When all is said and done we could be looking at a deal of picks somewhere in the 10th and 18th range for a star player. I don't see how that alone is acceptable. If this was done around the trade deadline when we would have more of a clear picture where these picks would end up it would possibly be different. But to trade a star player for picks alone this early in the off season process is a bad move, plain and simple. There are a handful of teams in this league that don't even have an 86 rated player, and now we are going to start letting teams hand them out. I understand Cleveland doesn't want to lose him for nothing, but that is his choice to let him walk if he so chooses. However once he decides to trade him it is our job as a committee to make sure he gets value for him, and the picks mentioned above don't cut it for an 86 player. If he got a player such as an Eric Gordon (just mentioning him because LAL did in the shout box) along with a pick or picks this would be fine. This way it helps him rebuild, he gets a player on a rookie contract and if the picks end up not being that great it wouldn't be horrible as he got a nice young player already in the deal. Just my opinion. The Lakers told me nothing about Eric Gordon, and Denver denied my Bargnani request. So i wouldn't take anything outside of the two teams involved in this deal into account. Thank you Utah and OKC for understanding my reasoning here and trusting me.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 9, 2010 16:10:34 GMT -5
I understand your reasoning and trust you as a GM. However I don't think trusting you is a reason to accept a bad trade. We already know for a fact that declining stars for cap doesn't get accepted. So all that leaves of value are the picks. It is so early in the off season we have no idea what either your team or SAC's will look like. SAC just said he has a trade coming after this one. How will that trade affect his pick? What are your intentions with Ray Allen? How will you use your cap you are getting with these trades? There are far to many unknowns for me to even consider accepting this.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Feb 9, 2010 16:15:25 GMT -5
I'm still deciding my vote, but wanted to chip in a little more with Boston's line of thought. For Free Agency especially.
1) The FA pool is usually pretty thin in this league, and even a "good" year, which might be this year, still doesn't have all that many players in it. Plus, many of them are the older players, declining, just like Brand, who you just traded away.
2) The worse your team is at the start of FA, the less chance you have of getting a good FA with your money. That's generally the case anyway. Trading away Brand may not really increase your chances in FA at all.
Again, I'm still trying to decide what I want to do here as well. I would really like to have seen you just get some player that we have seen play before. We have no idea what those picks turn into. Even if they are high picks, it could be a bad draft or just bad luck with injury or maybe the lotto balls fall poorly for you.
I'll vote tomorrow, at the latest. Hopefully tonight.
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Post by Orlando Magic on Feb 9, 2010 22:23:11 GMT -5
ill accept on the fact that sac and cle may be 10-15 range picks imo for next season. i think if SAC can pull this deal off for pocket change then he is a solid GM! And if CLE wants to rebuild then that's up to him. do i think he could have gotten better pieces for Brand...sure, but if this is what he wants then so be it. best of luck and great trade SAC
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Feb 10, 2010 14:23:44 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and accept this, it might not be the best value for a 86 rated player but as CLE has stated multiple times he wasn't going to resign Brand anyway most likely lowering his trade value in the process.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Feb 10, 2010 15:53:23 GMT -5
Yea the Sign-And-Trade process just lowers guys' values overall...but at least you're getting SOMETHING back.
I really would have preferred at least one contract, real life player (not a pick) back to CLE in the deal, but it seems he doesn't want that.
I'll accept.
This trade should be approved if I'm remembering correctly.
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