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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 29, 2009 23:18:13 GMT -5
Just let CHA do what he wants when it comes to the NFL. He has no idea what he's talking about;).
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Post by Utah Jazz on Dec 29, 2009 23:45:44 GMT -5
He was willing to trade Romo to the 'Hawks for Hasselbeck and Wallace once, IIRC.  Don't quote me (or him in this case) on that. |
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Dec 29, 2009 23:51:58 GMT -5
Stat for you OKC, With Collins: 0-6 With Young: 5-1 I rest my case. That doesn't rest ANY case, your buy or sell question was if the MADE the playoffs would he get fired, and if you make the playoffs it doesn't matter what the competing records of your quarter backs were it only matters that you MADE the playoffs. But seeing as they most likely wont make the playoffs I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone during the off season. I get what you are saying but whoever benched Vince Young should be fired. They probably win the Superbowl last year with him, I mean they should have beaten the Ravens anyways but Ray Lewis "thugged" Chris Johnson and took him out. Fisher HAD to have signed off on benching him, which I guess you can't argue with 13-3 and hindsight is 20-20....but the thing that pisses me off is they MADE HIM 3RD STRING THIS YEAR! He wasn't even active for all the games, Patrick Ramsey was the backup to Kerry Collins at one point. That's so stupid, and if he wasn't starting he should been playing WR or running the wildcat...he's too good of an athlete not to get something out of him. I don't know about him "being depressed" or whatever, no one has explained it so I'm going to take it as the Titans coaching staff doesn't know what they are talking about. I liked Vince Young before but now I love him because I believe the media tried to make him a scapegoat and he showed them who was boss. Titans are one of my favorite teams now and I personally would love to see Jeff Fisher and/or the OC get fired. PS. TB your an ass and next time your wrong (which I'm not wrong yet, though it does look like I am) you will never live it down. |
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Dec 30, 2009 0:08:39 GMT -5
I think your forgetting how good they looked last year when Collins started for them and how they barley looked average at the beginning of the (last)season when Vince young started. In my opinion though I believe what happened with VY being benched and Collins starting will work out for the best, help VY mature as a person and an athlete.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Dec 30, 2009 0:23:37 GMT -5
I think your forgetting how good they looked last year when Collins started for them and how they barley looked average at the beginning of the (last)season when Vince young started. In my opinion though I believe what happened with VY being benched and Collins starting will work out for the best, help VY mature as a person and an athlete. He only played one game last year, and it was like 17-14. You maybe right it helped him mature but there is NO WAY Patrick Ramsey is better than him. You also can't tell me as nonexplosive as their offense was with Collins, you couldn't work him in as a Wildcat QB if not at WR in certain packages. I think you HAVE to make him happy by firing Fisher and/or the OC, might let him pick. Jay Cutler cried because the Broncos tried to get Cassell, can you imagine if he got benched for Patrick Ramsey? |
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Dec 30, 2009 3:46:50 GMT -5
The Titans offense never looked good last year. It was all about Albert Haynesworth. He was a beast that covered up huge holes on their defense. They should have offered him anything he wanted. They STILL need at least one more capable receiver before VY can take the next step imo and even then the defense will need a minor overhaul to plug up the holes.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 29, 2010 15:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 29, 2010 16:20:27 GMT -5
Kurt is the man!
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jan 29, 2010 20:48:36 GMT -5
Man will we all miss Kurt..
Now Boldin leaves the Cards and then they become terrible.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Jan 29, 2010 21:00:42 GMT -5
Man will we all miss Kurt.. Now Boldin leaves the Cards and then they become terrible. And then this Niners fan becomes very happy :-) lol |
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jan 29, 2010 21:34:33 GMT -5
The Cards won't miss Boldin as much as people think. They have a very good record in games he doesn't play.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jan 30, 2010 3:39:36 GMT -5
Is Warner a Hall of famer?
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jan 30, 2010 5:20:54 GMT -5
Is Warner a Hall of famer? Really? He had six dominant years, made three Super Bowl appearances with two different teams (winning one and the MVP), and didn't even start his NFL career until he was 28. 2nd highest passer rating 2nd highest passing yards per game Highest rate of 300+ passing yards games Plus other records. Point is, when he was healthy (those six seasons) AND the starter for the entire season he won three MVP's and went to three Super Bowls in those six seasons. If he had started his career at 22 instead of 28 he would be way up there in terms of career passing yards, TD's, wins, and titles. |
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jan 30, 2010 6:03:13 GMT -5
Is Warner a Hall of famer? Really? He had six dominant years, made three Super Bowl appearances with two different teams (winning one and the MVP), and didn't even start his NFL career until he was 28. 2nd highest passer rating 2nd highest passing yards per game Highest rate of 300+ passing yards games Plus other records. Point is, when he was healthy (those six seasons) AND the starter for the entire season he won three MVP's and went to three Super Bowls in those six seasons. If he had started his career at 22 instead of 28 he would be way up there in terms of career passing yards, TD's, wins, and titles. Yes, really. Its not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Kurt Warner was excellent in 1999, with Isaac Bruce, Faulk, Holt, Orlando Pace and of course, the happy pass offense of Mike Martz. He was great in 2001, with the same stars by his side, now Martz being the head coach, a season that ended up on an Adam Vinatieri kick. Then, you dont hear from him until 2007 with Arizona. Would you make a QB with 4 excellent seasons a HOF? The issue here is longevity, he was totally lost for 6 years, and what will hurt him the most, are those years wearing blue for the Giants, where he didn’t leave any good memories behind for the media voters. Great person, great story, they could even make a movie out of it, all those ups and downs from grocery store to a Super Bowl is amazing, but the lack of constant complete seasons could leave him out of the hall. If it only takes 4 great seasons to make the Hall, Terrell Davis would be in. |
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jan 30, 2010 7:43:25 GMT -5
Really? He had six dominant years, made three Super Bowl appearances with two different teams (winning one and the MVP), and didn't even start his NFL career until he was 28. 2nd highest passer rating 2nd highest passing yards per game Highest rate of 300+ passing yards games Plus other records. Point is, when he was healthy (those six seasons) AND the starter for the entire season he won three MVP's and went to three Super Bowls in those six seasons. If he had started his career at 22 instead of 28 he would be way up there in terms of career passing yards, TD's, wins, and titles. Yes, really. Its not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Kurt Warner was excellent in 1999, with Isaac Bruce, Faulk, Holt, Orlando Pace and of course, the happy pass offense of Mike Martz. He was great in 2001, with the same stars by his side, now Martz being the head coach, a season that ended up on an Adam Vinatieri kick. Then, you dont hear from him until 2007 with Arizona. Would you make a QB with 4 excellent seasons a HOF? The issue here is longevity, he was totally lost for 6 years, and what will hurt him the most, are those years wearing blue for the Giants, where he didn’t leave any good memories behind for the media voters. Great person, great story, they could even make a movie out of it, all those ups and downs from grocery store to a Super Bowl is amazing, but the lack of constant complete seasons could leave him out of the hall. If it only takes 4 great seasons to make the Hall, Terrell Davis would be in. Where are getting FOUR great seasons? 1999, 2000, 2001, 2007, 2008, and 2009. You may not count 2000 because he had 18 INT's to 21 TD's but he still had a 98.3 passer rating and was averaging 9.9 yards per pass and completed 67.7% (2nd best % of career) of his passes. Plus that was in 11 games and he AVERAGED 300 yards passing a game that season. In 2002 and 2003 he played a combined 9 games. 2004-2006 he played 26 combined games and was in and out of the starting lineup (with Arizona) never playing more than 10 games. Remember, he hurt his thumb with the Rams and didn't recover fully until in Arizona. The fact that the Giants benched him (2005) should have nothing to do when evaluation his HOF status because they had a winning record and decided to go with Eli Manning over Warner. They decided to give up on the season and finally hand over the reins to Eli. If I remember correctly they were 5-4 (after starting 5-2) at the time and came off of two tough losses by a combined 10 points. The Giants really screwed him over by not committing to him that season one way or the other. He wasn't the Warner of his Rams' years but he was at least putting them in position to win games. So from 2002-2006 he played in 35 of a possible 80 games. Most of those games he didn't play he was injured and still recovering from that injury in St. Louis and you can tell b/c all of his stats are down including his completion %. Again, he was the fastest QB to 30,000 yards. He owns many playoff records and took his team to the Super Bowl three out of those six years. He's only behind Peyton Manning and Steve Young in QB rating (regular season). He has the second highest comp. %. He's 4th all-time on the career 300 yd games list. All of these accomplishments point to possibly the best career for a QB stat-wise IF he would have stayed healthy his entire career and started a few years earlier in his career. |
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 30, 2010 8:56:12 GMT -5
This is the list of career achievements by K. Warner.
NFL records
* Highest completion percentage in a single game (regular season) - 92.3% (24/26) (9/20/09) [35]
* Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Game) - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd and 3rd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 377 against the Pittsburgh Steelers and 365 against the New England Patriots). [36][37]
* Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Career) - 1,156
* Most Yards Passing, Playoffs (Single Season) - 1,147 (in 2009).
* Most touchdown passes in a single postseason - 11 (in 2009, tied w/Joe Montana, who did it in 1990).
* Highest career completion percentage, Playoffs - 66.5%
* Highest rate of games w/300+ yards passing (min. 100 games played) - 41.9% (52/124)[38]
* Most Yards Passing in the first two games of a season (2000) - 827[39]
* Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing - 6 (tied w/ Steve Young and Rich Gannon)[40]
* Most Games with a perfect Passer Rating, Career (regular season only) - 3 (tied w/Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger)[41]
* Only NFL quarterback to throw 40 touchdowns and win a Super Bowl in the same season (1999).
* Only quarterback to throw for over 14,000 yards with two different teams (St. Louis Rams, Arizona Cardinals)
* One of only 2 players in NFL history to throw 100 touchdown passes with two different teams (Fran Tarkenton is the other)
* Tied Dan Marino as the fastest player to pass for 30,000 yards. He accomplished this in 114 games.
* Tied Johnny Unitas with 4 consecutive games with a passer rating over 120 (against Brett Favre and the 10-1 Vikings on 12/6/2009)
* Highest average passing yards per game on Monday Night Football - 329.4 (min 7 games)
* Tied Daryle Lamonica with throwing 5 touchdown passes in two different playoff games.
* Warner is the second quarterback to make Super Bowl starts with two different teams joining Craig Morton (1970 Dallas Cowboys and 1977 Denver Broncos). He also became the third quarterback in NFL history to win a conference championship with two different teams, following Craig Morton and Earl Morrall.
Warner also retired ranking second in several categories:
* 2nd Highest Average Passing Yards Per Game, Career (Min. 100 games) - 260.4 yards/game (Peyton Manning is first)[42]
* 2nd Highest career passer rating, Playoffs - 102.8 (Bart Starr is first)
* 2nd oldest quarterback to throw for 30 touchdowns in a season - Aged 37 in 2008 (Brett Favre is the oldest, aged 40 in 2009)
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 30, 2010 9:09:25 GMT -5
If Joe Namath, Bob Griese and Lynn Swann is going to be in the HOF then K. Warner should definitely be in the HOF.
K. Warner took 2 teams (Rams and Cardinals) that was in the bottom of the barrel in their division to the top, teams that were struggling to the top of the mountain.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 30, 2010 10:33:45 GMT -5
I agree with Atlanta 100%, Warner wasn't bad with the Giants. He had that game his last year with the Rams Week 1 (ironically against the Giants I think) where he got a concussion and fumbled like 6 times, Bulger came in and he went to NY. You can say he's washed up but just because you get a concussion, but really that isn't smart evaluation. Ken Wisenhunt deserves a lot of credit for resurrecting Kurt Warner, I remember the Cards owner wanted to go with Leinart so bad that Wisenhunt had to use Warner as a "goal line QB" just so he could show what he could do. Eventually he beat Leinart out went to the Superbowl. I'm sure they will try to rob him but he's one of the best "Cinderella Stories" the NFL has ever had and really lived the American Dream. Bottom line, put Kurt in Canton!
PS. Here is the stat that sets him apart from the rest.
* Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Game) - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd and 3rd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 377 against the Pittsburgh Steelers and 365 against the New England Patriots). [36][37]
TOP 3 PASSING GAMES IN SUPERBOWL HISTORY! I bet you money when (or if they already have, I didn't watch) they ask Skip Bayless if Kurt deserves it he give this stat and says yes.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jan 30, 2010 13:30:47 GMT -5
I'm just saying that as a fan of the Buccaneers, that we should not count out Kurt Warner as a Great player. He beat that '99 Bucs team that was the best team in the league that year, HANDS DOWN.
Our defense was amazing that year. If you watch football footage, and you watch that NFC Championship game.. We played tough. Kurt just beat us.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jan 30, 2010 15:39:40 GMT -5
Guys, an injury isn't an excuse for voters. They aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was injured. They will see whats on the paper. 4 great seasons, 2 good seasons.
Great Years (HOF years): 1999, 2000, 2001, 2008
Good years: 2007, 2009
By comparison, 10 other QB's this year had similar years to Warner's "good" years.
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Don't quote me (or him in this case) on that.
