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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 25, 2010 22:39:45 GMT -5
Bowen, shut your mouth. You're taking this out of control, And as a friend.. I'm telling you to let it go haha.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 25, 2010 22:42:48 GMT -5
Can't do it, won't do it...I refuse to have anything to do with GS and if you are asking me he ought be kicked out.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Feb 26, 2010 0:19:56 GMT -5
BINGO. It's not about a rule. That is why nobody mentioned this rule when you were shopping him. The league doesn't want to lose the face of this free agency group to a sign and trade. If you really think it's about a "rule" your kidding yourself. Honestly I don't care about Reshard Lewis becoming a free agent (even if I offered him a contract slim chance he would accept) but if a player declines a player option meaning he has no guaranteed years left on his contract then the team he was on should not hold his rights, I'm sorry if it was stated other wise but that's just the dumbest thing I ever heard.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 26, 2010 0:35:12 GMT -5
BINGO. It's not about a rule. That is why nobody mentioned this rule when you were shopping him. The league doesn't want to lose the face of this free agency group to a sign and trade. If you really think it's about a "rule" your kidding yourself. Honestly I don't care about Reshard Lewis becoming a free agent (even if I offered him a contract slim chance he would accept) but if a player declines a player option meaning he has no guaranteed years left on his contract then the team he was on should not hold his rights, I'm sorry if it was stated other wise but that's just the dumbest thing I ever heard. I am not stating an opinion.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Feb 26, 2010 3:52:58 GMT -5
Ok, I obviously wasn't here when the emotions were running high but how is this even an issue? Also, what is this player rights garbage? Holding the rights to a player 1) can mean more than one thing and 2) usually means that player is still a part of that team.
Rashard Lewis is a player that IS a free agent (ie. not under contract) but the team Lewis was just playing for as the season ended has "rights" to re-sign them without worrying about another team offering Lewis a contract. These "rights" only last during a certain period of time and after which Lewis officially becomes a free agent and enters free agency if said player doesn't re-sign.
Rashard Lewis isn't a 2nd round pick. His previous team doesn't have "rights" to trade him unless it is part of a sign and trade.
How is any of that unclear? Lewis was offered a contract and turned it down. He is officially an free agent (league rules) as of turning down the contract and will enter free agency. Period. You don't get unlimited opportunities to re-sign players.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Feb 26, 2010 5:28:13 GMT -5
Golden State should be kicked out. Why? Seriously, stop. No personal attacks are warranted. Anywho, stuff like this will happen when a league has been around for awhile and the rules written at the start of the league are loosely constructed. Until you run into problems (like with this off-season), you really dont know. We know now, and corrections will be made after the off-season is over. This off-season has been a black eye for the league IMO. All my rules have been written too loosely it seems. I need to go back and re-word a lot of the idiosyncrasies. I didn't post on this last night because I was trying to figure out what I was going to do. I had a conversation with Boston via PM and we had some good back and forth and I definitely see where hes coming from. For me it came down to a couple things. Once a players extension is rejected, he becomes a free agent. GSW should have negotiated with all teams interested in a S+T before he offered an extension to begin with. He should have realized the chances of Shard accepting an extension with him was slim due to him already rejecting a player option to come back to Golden State. Also, there is no official rule that says GS holds his rights until FA opens, its just assumed it seems. And I don't want this to seem like I am ending the S+T's before this potential deal. I would have allowed this S+T to go through if Lewis hadn't already rejected an extension. With that said, Rashard Lewis will enter Free Agency.
All the personal beefs you guys have going on need to stop. I like everyone's passion when it comes to controversial topics, but it seems like there are a few GM's that take it too far. Ease up guys. We are in this for fun. No need to take the fun away. Stuff like this isn't fun for me.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 26, 2010 8:25:45 GMT -5
To me it's simple. This league allows sign and trades this off season. You CAN trade players rights. It says so in the CBA. Here is a question and answer regarding the very issue.
Q- Can a team trade the rights to a free agent
A- Once a player becomes a free agent, he cannot be traded, except in a sign-and-trade deal.
So right there cancels out the argument that he is a free agent and can't be traded. I understand OKC, and that we can't go 100% by real life rules. However, I thought by adding things such as the buyout we were trying to make this league somewhat like real life. I respect OKC's decision on this and will leave it alone from here, and hopefully now that a decision has been reached all this drama can stop.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Feb 26, 2010 8:34:21 GMT -5
To me it's simple. This league allows sign and trades this off season. You CAN trade players rights. It says so in the CBA. Here is a question and answer regarding the very issue. Q- Can a team trade the rights to a free agent A- Once a player becomes a free agent, he cannot be traded, except in a sign-and-trade deal. So right there cancels out the argument that he is a free agent and can't be traded. I understand OKC, and that we can't go 100% by real life rules. However, I thought by adding things such as the buyout we were trying to make this league somewhat like real life. I respect OKC's decision on this and will leave it alone from here, and hopefully now that a decision has been reached all this drama can stop. But what your missing is sign and trades are done when NEW contracts are agreed too not with players that decline player options, players that do that AUTOMATICALLY become free agents. (the only reason I can see he was told he had his rights is because free agency didn't start right away)
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 26, 2010 9:55:18 GMT -5
Not sure what you aren't understanding. Lewis declines option, GS holds his rights, GS offers extension, Lewis declines, GS doesn't want to lose star player for nothing, agrees to sign and trade with a team, that team submits an extension through GS, player declines or accepts, if accepted the sign and trade would be completed. It's rather simple.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 26, 2010 10:01:52 GMT -5
I'm sticking by my previous statements about GS, never personally attacked him and everyone can attest to that. He says 2 magical words and everything is forgiven.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Feb 26, 2010 11:08:37 GMT -5
Boston dude, you are clearly wrong, and i dont know why you are the only one that sees it the way you are seeing it. When Rashard Lewis declined an extension he enters free agency.... PERIOD.
The only way a free agent can be traded is in a sign and trade, thats correct... BUT he has to resign with his old team (GSW) and then be traded to you in a sign and trade. The problem is, he wasnt resigned with his old team (GSW) so, he cant be traded to you. When he entered free agency by declining GSW he became a free agent... its SIMPLE
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 26, 2010 13:45:27 GMT -5
Boston dude, you are clearly wrong, and i dont know why you are the only one that sees it the way you are seeing it. When Rashard Lewis declined an extension he enters free agency.... PERIOD. The only way a free agent can be traded is in a sign and trade, thats correct... BUT he has to resign with his old team (GSW) and then be traded to you in a sign and trade. The problem is, he wasnt resigned with his old team (GSW) so, he cant be traded to you. When he entered free agency by declining GSW he became a free agent... its SIMPLE I don't think I voted for myself 7 times in the poll that Sacremento posted, so I am not the only that sees it the way I do. You aren't going to convince me to see it your way, and I am not going to convince you to see it mine. I think it is time to leave this alone. I am not upset this got rejected, I just didn't understand the reasoning behind it. However, I am happy to still have Brooks and not have to deal with Jaric's contract. I could also still pursue Lewis in free agency if I want. Not that big of a deal. Move on.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Feb 26, 2010 15:26:39 GMT -5
Just let it go on the deal Boston. OKC ruled and we can't do nothing about that. And I am not apologizing to you Charlotte for I have done nothing wrong. I pointed out you are not fit to be a PA because you let your interest in players get in the way. Argument over
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 26, 2010 16:08:25 GMT -5
Just let it go on the deal Boston. OKC ruled and we can't do nothing about that. And I am not apologizing to you Charlotte for I have done nothing wrong. I pointed out you are not fit to be a PA because you let your interest in players get in the way. Argument over That's not what you said, and I really think you should be kicked out if you won't apologize. When have I EVER personally attacked you? I also stepped down as the PA the first time for the VERY REASON you are saying, only reason I wanted to be the PA the second time was to defend the rule if OKC did indeed allow you two to make a S&T. If you apologize I'll drop this beef with you, until then I will point out any and all mistakes you make. Accusations of cheating are bullshit and you know it, I don't mind disagreeing and even bullshiting (like I did with Boston, I don't know Boston but I was totally joking about the lawyer thing) but you took it way too far. You've also destroyed my chances at getting Shard, so congrats! I never once said you cheated either, you were simply breaking a rule in my opinion.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Feb 26, 2010 16:30:46 GMT -5
No apologies coming from me except to OKC for all this spamming.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 26, 2010 16:52:47 GMT -5
Then, to quote you, "you are showing why you are the douche bag of the league."
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Post by Utah Jazz on Feb 27, 2010 0:04:07 GMT -5
Geez, what happened? Someone wanna summarize? 4 pages is a bit too much to read.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Feb 27, 2010 3:36:56 GMT -5
A whole lot of nothing Utah
Locking this thread.
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