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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 17, 2010 22:43:21 GMT -5
Sacramento sends:
73 Courtney Lee $1,053,700 $1,127,200(TO) $1,612,430(TO)
75 Marvin Williams $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,500,000 $6,000,000
68 Mohammed Nazr $6,466,600 $6,883,880(TO)
Salary Out: $12,520,300
Salary In: $15,000,000
Indiana sends:
69 Sasha Vujacic $3,000,000 $3,000,000(PO) $3,000,000 $3,000,000
80 Andrew Bynum 12,000,000 - 13,000,000 - 14,000,000 - 15,000,000
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Salary Out: $15,000,000
Salary In: $12,520,300
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Post by Indiana Pacers on Feb 17, 2010 22:50:09 GMT -5
I accept
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Feb 17, 2010 23:01:15 GMT -5
I'm gonna reject. Bynum keeps improving and is a very valuable C. Williams has shown he is gonna be a average player that got picked way to high in the draft, and Lee is okay but dosent fill the gap in this deal.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 17, 2010 23:02:11 GMT -5
I agree...
I need a good C for the team. I have scola who will be playing a back up role for the team. We drafted blake griffin and johnny flynn and adding bynum will only add to a nice young nucleus of talent. I hated to lose Courtney Lee, who was #3 in scoring amoung NBAL rookies last season (ahead of Rose, Mayo, Westbrook and Gordon). Lee's stats IRL are up in nearly every catagory. Williams is still young and has plenty of potential and is getting plenty of PT in ATL.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Feb 17, 2010 23:08:17 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to reject too. Bynum is worth more than Lee and Williams. Don't know why Indy's doing this, doesn't help that he didn't give a reason either, but I reject nonetheless.
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Post by Orlando Magic on Feb 17, 2010 23:16:42 GMT -5
reject, i dont care why indy is doing this, it's too lopsided and bynum is worth far more than courtney lee and marvin williams
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 17, 2010 23:22:14 GMT -5
Reject
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 18, 2010 2:12:54 GMT -5
Coming from the biggest Bynum in the world, you can get more for him than this....
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Feb 18, 2010 14:07:48 GMT -5
This is the exact reason why we have to get rid of sign and trades. This is brutal.
Lee has digressed and Williams has not improved at all the last 3 seasons. Hes a 10 and 5 guy
And Indy, I got your PM. Sim league stats dont matter AT ALL. Every player performs different on every team. Chemistry and who else is on the team has as much to do with how a player performs in sim. So comparing sim league stats is irrelevant.
With that said, I will accept this deal because I accepted the David Lee deal. Very similar to this one. Gotta stay consistent.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Feb 18, 2010 15:48:47 GMT -5
Ya, the Brand deal, and the Lee deal that you guys accepted, are somewhat similar to this. They have their differences though too...
Currently, I can't vote though. Bynum's contract is wrong. It should be
12,000,000 - 13,000,000 - 14,000,000 - 15,000,000
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Post by Orlando Magic on Feb 18, 2010 16:07:14 GMT -5
alrite, well i've never considered this as the same as my lee deal which i guess could be construed as similar so i accept on fairness but support the idea of no sign and trades ever. either u have the cap or not
so a reluctant accept, ur on thin ice tho indy.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 18, 2010 16:39:14 GMT -5
hold up y would this be accepted....brand is hot garbage now, could u have resigned David lee orld without letting cp3 go? Although it might be similar I don't see a reason on y indy needs to do this. He has the cap and is pretty much trading away an allstar for garbage. Makes u wonder y he would accept this deal when BOSTON stated he offer joe johnson for bynum.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 18, 2010 16:48:05 GMT -5
If he doesn't want Johnson that is fine. However this trade is pure garbage. If you accept this, that Brand trade gets even worse as Sacs team becomes really good. If you feel Orlando's trade with Lee shouldn't have been passed, I can understand, but we can't continue to let trades slip through because we missed one. When does that logic stop, do we just accept everything now. This trade sucks on every level. Indy gives up the best player now and in the future, he also takes back a worthless 6.5 mil in cap this season, and for what? Marvin Williams and Courtney Lee. I could be wrong but Orlando didn't even have the cap to re-sign Lee, he had to trade him. Bynums situation is not the same. Indy could keep him if he wanted to, he is CHOOSING to trade him. This trade blows and I still reject.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 18, 2010 16:49:54 GMT -5
If he doesn't want Johnson that is fine. However this trade is pure garbage. If you accept this, that Brand trade gets even worse as Sacs team becomes really good. If you feel Orlando's trade with Lee shouldn't have been passed, I can understand, but we can't continue to let trades slip through because we missed one. Where does that logic stop, do we just accept everything now. This trade sucks on every level. Indy gives up the best player now and in the future, he also takes back a worthless 6.5 mil in cap this season, and for what? Marvin Williams and Courtney Lee. I could be wrong but Orlando didn't even have the cap to re-sign Lee, he had to trade him. Bynums situation is not the same. Indy could keep him if he wanted to, he is CHOOSING to trade him. This trade blows and I still reject. lol that is y ur a committee member, ur now the people's champ |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 18, 2010 16:55:36 GMT -5
It's a tough one here..
Sign and trades are always lopsidded.
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Post by sniper on Feb 18, 2010 17:00:36 GMT -5
When will Indy give an explanation? I don't get this trade for Indy. It doesn't upgrade his team at all, and it doesn't really help him in cap space other then Nazr who expires next year. This is kind of like the Lee trade, but like what Boston said they are both two different scenarios. Orlando had to trade Lee because he didn't have the cap space, but that's not the case for Indy. And I also don't get why he would reject Bynum for JJ but accept this. Bynum is one of the few great Centers in the league and he can get great value for him, if this trade goes through Sacramento will become a trading god for sure by completely ripping off the other team for the second time.  |
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Post by Orlando Magic on Feb 18, 2010 17:06:29 GMT -5
look, first of all no one but CM's can post on these. so NO MORE POSTS on this thread. start something else if you wanna discuss. and Indy talked individually to each CM and let us know his deal. I follow OKC's lead on this one and if he will allow these then fine, but Indy should know that he is on extremely thin ice after this and especially with SAC in the future.
i'm cutting it off after this deal. you got a problem then deal with it, but not in this thread!
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Feb 19, 2010 23:41:35 GMT -5
I'm still having trouble with this one, after giving it more and more thought...
Yes, the similarity of it being a S&T like the Brand and even Lee deal, is there. But there are major differences as well. In Brand deal...well Brand is older and doesn't have many (any?) believers in his "long-term" play...can he be even this "good" by next year? many think not. Also, CLE was gonna let him walk, then a deal fell in his lap to just get some solid pieces for the future. Solid deal really, getting something out of nothing.
Lee trade, ORL could not afford him, so he HAD to end up trading him. Also, he got me to take on 9 mil in cap for THIS season, so he could do his other deals as well. PLUS, he got 2 very solid young players (that would have been nice on his bench, but he's now traded anyway...)...that are solid value. And a project/draft rights rookie to boot. Solid deal, gets Cap, plus had to move Lee, and still got some solid potential youngsters with that Cap and the NEED to move Lee.
This deal though...Indy really does not need to move Bynum. And even if he wants to move Bynum, there clearly have to be better offers out there than this. So yea, first difference - Bynum is not old, and he has super value. So that's very unsimilar to the Brand deal. Second difference, he has the cap to keep him. Yes, he has a plan, and I respect that, but currently he could just easily get more value Bynum than this.
I also know, with Lee and ORL...he was shopping Lee for awhile, and I was apparently the only one willing to take 9 mil in cap AND give some solid youngsters. It seemed he got the absolute best value for Lee that he could, we all know how ORL works trades lol.
This one though, he could get more for Bynum, clearly. Bynum isn't old, has huge hype-machine on his side, and Indy can afford to keep him. There's the possibility that Indy doesn't even get to sign anyone that good in FA anyway...why not keep Bynum, even if just for a little, and trade him during the season for way more value than this?
So yea, those are all my thoughts. It is really only similar to Brand and Lee deals in that it is a S&T. Other than that, I don't see similarities all that much, to be honest. I'm leaning towards a reject, but want to hold off to get another look at this with a different mind-set possibly.
And lastly, I really don't feel comfortable voting on this trade now that, if I reject, it might screw my team over b/c OKC has said he'll go back and take away my legit, already accepted trade with ORL. Which also, at this point, would undo like 2 or 3 other trades ORL has done, and have been accepted.
While I see similarities in the deals, first off, I didn't vote on my trade, so I'm not required to "stay consistent" between the two. Second, ORL had a clear laid out plan in his roster thread for all to see, that he needed that 9 mil in expirers to be taken in order for everything else to work. He already had value lined up. Indy can give away Bynum, and potentially not get any big FA...
That's all for me for now, absolutely nothing else to say, and I think I repeated myself like 3 times haha.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Feb 21, 2010 6:50:41 GMT -5
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