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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 11:45:52 GMT -5
indeed, differing opinions. I just have the stats that seem to back me up but I digress...I just think Butler is underrated.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Aug 13, 2008 11:56:49 GMT -5
indeed, differing opinions. I just have the stats that seem to back me up but I digress...I just think Butler is underrated. and Pierce has a Finals MVP to back him up ;D
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 13, 2008 13:58:04 GMT -5
Pierce is better than Butler. You need to hop off. Pierce is a scorer, while Butler is a slasher. I want a scorer. My perimeter players cant score. You need to look at other teams scenarios when you judge trades. I said many times before, i dont give a shit about cap room. I'm one million over the cap without this trade, whats the point of cutting cap, i won't get MLE. Next year i'll have enough cap to re-sign Brand, and otherwise i could care less what Pierce makes in comparison to Butler. If Charlotte clears cap by giving me better players, good for him.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 14:09:22 GMT -5
Butler is underrated, that's all. 20ppg (even with Arenas) is a bit more than a slasher, thank you very much. That's fine if you wanted a scorer, you did get a better scorer. I think I've done a fine job on the TC for a season so far, and if I had done anything that SEA didn't like, I would guess I wouldn't be on it anymore. I judged this trade as it was originally and thought it too unfair. BUT ONCE AGAIN THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE TRADE!!!!! jesus
That said, I know this doesn't necessarily "hurt" you for this year, and you still have enough cap to re-sign who you want to resign. That's all good. But you're right at the end...this is good for Charlotte. Too good, in my opinion.
Take this example. Person "A" has 3 billion dollars. Person "B" is a hobo living on the street. Person A walks by Person B and gives him 100,000 dollars. (that's like, less than 1/1000th of his money...like I personally have 2,000 dollars, this is like me giving someone 2 pennies). You can argue very easily that this doesn't hurt Person "A" at all. But it's probably the best thing that will ever happen to Person "B". Is it an extreme example? yea. But it's just an example. I just felt this trade helped out Charlotte significantly while IN MY OPINION it was a wash on your side (a lateral move).
But seriously, I will not say anything else about that trade in here, as this thread was meant to 1. Ask NOH how the salaries benefit CLE at all? and 2. have a discussion on Butler/Pierce.
thanks for taking the discussion off topic though...way to go.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 13, 2008 14:23:44 GMT -5
I honestly think it was a good trade for both teams, the only thing I can question is whither Cleveland is a legit team or not. When you get into that line of thinking you are playing GM and you CAN NOT play GM when you are on the TC. Time will tell how it works out, if Cleveland becomes an elite team it might turn out he wins. He gains 6 points to his starting 5 and didn't give up that much to get it, but this is for sure not an unfair trade. IMO Pierce is a much better player, and CLE got what he wanted and so did I.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 13, 2008 14:27:02 GMT -5
Butler is underrated, that's all. 20ppg (even with Arenas) is a bit more than a slasher, thank you very much. That's fine if you wanted a scorer, you did get a better scorer. I think I've done a fine job on the TC for a season so far, and if I had done anything that SEA didn't like, I would guess I wouldn't be on it anymore. I judged this trade as it was originally and thought it too unfair. BUT ONCE AGAIN THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE TRADE!!!!! jesus That said, I know this doesn't necessarily "hurt" you for this year, and you still have enough cap to re-sign who you want to resign. That's all good. But you're right at the end...this is good for Charlotte. Too good, in my opinion. Take this example. Person "A" has 3 billion dollars. Person "B" is a hobo living on the street. Person A walks by Person B and gives him 100,000 dollars. (that's like, less than 1/1000th of his money...like I personally have 2,000 dollars, this is like me giving someone 2 pennies). You can argue very easily that this doesn't hurt Person "A" at all. But it's probably the best thing that will ever happen to Person "B". Is it an extreme example? yea. But it's just an example. I just felt this trade helped out Charlotte significantly while IN MY OPINION it was a wash on your side (a lateral move). But seriously, I will not say anything else about that trade in here, as this thread was meant to 1. Ask NOH how the salaries benefit CLE at all? and 2. have a discussion on Butler/Pierce. thanks for taking the discussion off topic though...way to go. That is THE dumbest example ive ever heard. I'm trying to get it through your head that im not trying to cut salaries. You tried to stop Charlotte so you could get McDyess. I get it. But you can't get him now, and thats just good GMing by Charlotte because he gave me what i wanted, and i gave him what i wanted. And Caron Butler did not have Gilbert Arenas last year for the 1000th time. So the stats shouldnt matter. What matters is Caron Butler is an 87 (A Boosted 87 at that), and Paul Pierce is a 89. What matters is Mike James is a 74, and Sarunas Jasickiveisciskcsicaksc is a 68.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 15:16:39 GMT -5
you're f**king off your rocker. I have no interest in McDyess and never have. If you SERIOUSLY think that's the reason I rejected, all i can say is first, you're wrong, dead wrong. Second, I am offended. I did not have interest in Dyess when this deal was made. I can't believe you.
And for the 1000th time, I put up Caron's stats from 06/07 as well you retard. PLEASE READ MY GODDAMN POSTS. I'm sorry, seriously, but this is f**king ridiculous. Anyway, the stats from 06/07 show clearly that Caron was already scoring 20 and getting 7 boards and 4 ast and 2 steals WITH GILBERT ARENAS. Jesus you're being moronic. And if you're gonna use game ratings, then what about MY OTHER POST THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T READ?! I put up Pierce's and Butler's stats IN THIS LEAGUE from last year (where Pierce was the #1 option and best player on the team...and Butler was the #3 scoring option and 2nd best rated player on the team) and Butler was just as good as Pierce in this league.
I'm seriously sorry that I am INCREDIBLY frustrated, because it's just about impossible to argue with someone if they don't read what I say and take things i say out of proportion and out of context and put words into my mouth.
The things you keep saying about me are complete lies and utter BULLSHIT and I really think you should stop.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 13, 2008 15:41:56 GMT -5
Why don't yall both stop? I don't think the Clippers did anything wrong Cleveland and he's not a bad guy. I know you are a good GM and it probably hurt you a little that he would rejected one of your trades but he really is a good guy, as you are. It's not like everyone agrees with every single move i've ever made and I know what you mean, you want to prove him wrong but do it by your teams play not by attacking him.
I guess I kinda of implied that the Clippers was doing something personal, but I know he wasn't. He is one of the most fair guys in a sim I've ever met in a sim and he is just doing what he thinks is right and I respect that. He was the only one in my our division in rim for a long time and our division made shit loads of trades to get better and I don't remember him once denying a trade because it made us better. I'm not saying you are out of line Cleveland but the trade got passed, we should just just stop the discussion now before you two get even madder at each other.
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Aug 14, 2008 4:39:45 GMT -5
you(LAC) dont have to be too harsh on me man i made another look on the trade and i didnt notice the Team options the players the bobcats were getting had on the contracts and also so i thought the players had more years in the contracts. i respect you and what you are doing for this league and i understand that you want everything to be fair so everybody could enjoy but you dont have to be harsh on others like posting a separate thread just to bash another gm
and i got home late from school because i had to finish my term paper and study for my finals exam in college at the same time train with my dance crew for a competition since i want a life and not always surround it with sim leagues or anything of the sort.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 14, 2008 5:48:24 GMT -5
Hey man I'm sorry if you thought I was bashing you. Honestly I just wanted to know if you had seen something that I hadn't. Dunno what that would've been but honestly, I made it kind of as a joke. Like the whole "how much were you drinking" and that stuff was just a joke man. I had no intention of bashing you so sorry if you maybe put in some emotion to my "type" that wasn't there.
For real, you're a good guy and I had no intention of bashing you.
EDIT: I just went back to read my original post again and I'm not really sure why you thought I was bashing you, but that's ok. I did make sure to say "haha that's partially a joke...but partially serious." Because that was a joke haha. But anyway, just know I really had no intention of "bashing" you just was curious what you saw. I figured it might've been the team options you didn't take a close look at.
Alright, cya.
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Aug 14, 2008 6:48:17 GMT -5
HAHA thats alright
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 14, 2008 11:35:57 GMT -5
you're f**king off your rocker. I have no interest in McDyess and never have. If you SERIOUSLY think that's the reason I rejected, all i can say is first, you're wrong, dead wrong. Second, I am offended. I did not have interest in Dyess when this deal was made. I can't believe you. And for the 1000th time, I put up Caron's stats from 06/07 as well you retard. PLEASE READ MY GODDAMN POSTS. I'm sorry, seriously, but this is f**king ridiculous. Anyway, the stats from 06/07 show clearly that Caron was already scoring 20 and getting 7 boards and 4 ast and 2 steals WITH GILBERT ARENAS. Jesus you're being moronic. And if you're gonna use game ratings, then what about MY OTHER POST THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T READ?! I put up Pierce's and Butler's stats IN THIS LEAGUE from last year (where Pierce was the #1 option and best player on the team...and Butler was the #3 scoring option and 2nd best rated player on the team) and Butler was just as good as Pierce in this league. I'm seriously sorry that I am INCREDIBLY frustrated, because it's just about impossible to argue with someone if they don't read what I say and take things i say out of proportion and out of context and put words into my mouth. The things you keep saying about me are complete lies and utter BULLSHIT and I really think you should stop. And you say im attacking you.... lol i for one am not gonna cry about it and say action should be taken. mad hypocritical lol.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 14, 2008 20:55:03 GMT -5
Dude, I guess you don't listen first off.
All I did all day yesterday was defend myself from personal attacks from you. By the time of that post, I was sick and tired of the lies and slander you were slinging around at me and it was completely unnecessary and completely untrue so I just decided to finally say some things.
But what did I do that attacked you? You said I was rejecting deals based on my team needs, I said you were "expletive off your rocker." So basically I called you crazy. What else? I called you wrong about something...did that hurt your feelings?
I did call you moronic and called the situation "expletive ridiculous" because I had explained myself the exact same way 3 times in a row and somehow, you still weren't reading it. Quite a frustrating experience.
And then I called the lies you were saying Bullshit. Because that's what they were.
Just keep running your mouth, it's all lies and makes you look fairly stupid anyway.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 15, 2008 9:45:16 GMT -5
dude. you didnt listen/respond to my argument on the salary cap issue. at all.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 15, 2008 9:49:45 GMT -5
Remember the example I gave for the salary cap issue that you called "the worst example ever"? In that post I responded to it. Sorry you don't know how to read my posts.
You know what, I was gonna repeat it but I'm not gonna. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THAT GODDAMN TRADE. IT WAS ACCEPTED. WHAT IS YOUR ISSUE?
jesus
I will respond to Pierce vs. Butler things but that has pretty much played out already.
Stop trying to start shit.
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