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Post by Boston Celtics on Jan 27, 2009 0:50:36 GMT -5
Not much love for Durant either. Putting up 24.7 points, 6.6 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game with much improved shooting percentages over his rookie season.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jan 27, 2009 0:56:51 GMT -5
Not much love for Durant either. Putting up 24.7 points, 6.6 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game with much improved shooting percentages over his rookie season. yea he too is getting the love in the staff room. I had my reservations about him, as you all probably remember, but he is proving me wrong.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 27, 2009 1:25:19 GMT -5
Is our boy Drose gonna get love, okc?
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Post by theanswer - IND on Jan 27, 2009 2:01:43 GMT -5
i have a bunch of players that should get some boost's as well: Rajon Rondo Andrew Bynum Ramon Sessions Ryan Gomes
they should be looked at
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jan 27, 2009 8:58:53 GMT -5
Thaddeus Young Luis Scola Nate Robinson Wilson Chandler Ramon Sessions Al Thornton
should all get a boost.
moon should boost at least 1-2 points and 84-85 rating is too low for marion.. he is still an 86-87 based on his athletecism.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Jan 27, 2009 10:35:28 GMT -5
I'm a Raps fan and I definitely don't think Moon should get a boost, if anything he should be lowered. His defence is TERRIBLE, he bites on everything. The guy proboably has the lowest IQ on the team, he's singlehandedly lost us a few games in the clutch this season. Add to that, the guy has so much athleticism yet chucks up jimmies all game.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Jan 27, 2009 10:36:52 GMT -5
i have a bunch of players that should get some boost's as well: Rajon Rondo Andrew Bynum Ramon Sessions Ryan Gomes they should be looked at Now for your part. I want you to list 3 players that you think are overrated and 3 that are underrated. Please do not pick players from your own teams. Give me their new ratings as well.
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Post by sharmoot - POR on Jan 27, 2009 21:10:43 GMT -5
Overrated: Tracy McGrady 91 - 84 Stephon Marbury 79 - 72 Shaun Livingstone 72 - 66
Underrated: Zach Randolph 83 - 87 Danny Granger 83 - 88 Paul Millsap 72 - 80 (For his play of late with Boozer out)
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Jan 27, 2009 21:20:19 GMT -5
I don't get all the ZBo hype, the guy is a one dimensional player who is a black hole on defence. Not to mention he's putting up the stats he is on teams like the Knicks and Clippers. To be over 85, I think a player should be well rounded.
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Post by raps03 - TOR on Jan 27, 2009 22:02:09 GMT -5
Hey guys what do u think about the rookies? Like Rose, O.J, will there rankings go up, or not 100% as yet? Just wondering
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jan 27, 2009 22:07:12 GMT -5
I don't get all the ZBo hype, the guy is a one dimensional player who is a black hole on defence. Not to mention he's putting up the stats he is on teams like the Knicks and Clippers. To be over 85, I think a player should be well rounded. i really dont think he is as bad on D as you think. And so what if he was on the Knicks and Clips. That has nothing to do with the competition he faces
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jan 27, 2009 22:19:15 GMT -5
Hey guys what do u think about the rookies? Like Rose, O.J, will there rankings go up, or not 100% as yet? Just wondering Its still up in the air. Its hard for me to raise rookies because they can fall off into a sophomore slump. This happened to Tyrus Thomas and Bargnani after their rookie years. We raised them after their rookie years and after their 2nd year we had to lower them due to falling off for numerous reasons. It is being discussed though.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 27, 2009 22:21:06 GMT -5
Aww so Rose may not get raised? Someone told me he was gonna be an 80 Anyways what about Fat Al and Gordon, I know yall hate on my man Gordon but can't argue with 20 pgg.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jan 27, 2009 22:27:40 GMT -5
Like I said, its still up in the air. He will get raised, but it might be just a point or 2. No on BG, as he has averaged 20 ppg the last 4 years and his rating has been 82 throughout. Al could get a few points even though he is a product of the system he plays in. But we hold that against him. As he can only control how he plays in the system and does not pick the system he plays in. Biedrens will be borderline 80 as well. You got some really nice talent CHA
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 27, 2009 22:43:05 GMT -5
well duh , I'm making my argument for Gordon to the TC....take it or leave it. sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3820/career;_ylt=Asw98uKXfZk1KRtBtTm6D.T1PKB4Ben Gordon have IMPROVED every year until 2007-2008 when he was battling injury and the Bulls went to crap period. In 2008-2009 he has returned to form with almost the same stats as 2006-2007 (break out year) I mean everything but his personal fouls are down. He plays on the same team with Larry Hughes, Luol Deng, Andres Nocconi, Kirk Hinrich, and 1st overall pick Derrick Rose, where in 2007-2008 Rose and Hughes were not there. You see players like Deng, Nocconi, Hinrich, and Hughes just TOTALLY fall off the map. He went and proved (when the Bulls didn't want him) he is the 1st or 2nd guard on that team. You also compare his #'s to Pierce, Manu, Allen, Josh Howard, Tracey Mcgrady, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, etc. TONS of guys rated higher than him he is better. I'm not saying he should be really high, but I think he should get a point or two because he had a good year and IS BETTER than other guys rated similar such as TJ Ford, Kenyon Martin, Rip Hamilton, Jason Richardson, and not to mention his Bulls teams mates. Sorry if this is out of line but I felt like arguing haha.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Jan 28, 2009 0:46:41 GMT -5
I don't get all the ZBo hype, the guy is a one dimensional player who is a black hole on defence. Not to mention he's putting up the stats he is on teams like the Knicks and Clippers. To be over 85, I think a player should be well rounded. i really dont think he is as bad on D as you think. And so what if he was on the Knicks and Clips. That has nothing to do with the competition he faces He's averaged .2 BPG in his career, that's almost unheard of for a big. Opponents easily blow by him from what I've seen. Not taking anything away from his offensive game since I think that's one part he excels him but it definitely doesn't hurt to play on the Knicks and Clippers where he'll get the most touches on offence. Put him on a playoff team and his scoring average goes down 3-4 points IMO. Let's not also forget this is the same guy the Knicks were trying to trade for a second round pick in the summer. IMO anywhere in the 85 - 87 range for Randolph is way too much, I wouldn't put him in the same range as a Boozer, West, Gasol.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 28, 2009 0:52:11 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with u philly i use to think this dude was garbage but after watching him play even in the knicks day this dude is very talented offensively but lacks everything else defensively. He is a legit 20/10 guy and has expanded his game since the Portland days. IMO he is one of the best offensively gifted big man in the game.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Jan 28, 2009 0:52:30 GMT -5
well duh , I'm making my argument for Gordon to the TC....take it or leave it. sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3820/career;_ylt=Asw98uKXfZk1KRtBtTm6D.T1PKB4Ben Gordon have IMPROVED every year until 2007-2008 when he was battling injury and the Bulls went to crap period. In 2008-2009 he has returned to form with almost the same stats as 2006-2007 (break out year) I mean everything but his personal fouls are down. He plays on the same team with Larry Hughes, Luol Deng, Andres Nocconi, Kirk Hinrich, and 1st overall pick Derrick Rose, where in 2007-2008 Rose and Hughes were not there. You see players like Deng, Nocconi, Hinrich, and Hughes just TOTALLY fall off the map. He went and proved (when the Bulls didn't want him) he is the 1st or 2nd guard on that team. You also compare his #'s to Pierce, Manu, Allen, Josh Howard, Tracey Mcgrady, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, etc. TONS of guys rated higher than him he is better. I'm not saying he should be really high, but I think he should get a point or two because he had a good year and IS BETTER than other guys rated similar such as TJ Ford, Kenyon Martin, Rip Hamilton, Jason Richardson, and not to mention his Bulls teams mates. Sorry if this is out of line but I felt like arguing haha. You can't compare him to guys like Marion and Martin since they both play different type of games and position. As for why the other players you mentioned, sure BG has improved his scoring but IMO he's still a defensive liability because of his size and that's what seperates him between guys like Manu, Pierce.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 28, 2009 1:21:27 GMT -5
(I traded Gordon so no bias here anymore, even though I like Gordon)
I agree with you Philly, and if you had read what I said I did mention I don't think he should be an 88. I think he's similar to a Michael Redd type guy (who is an 85 in the league.) I think at MOST he should be an 85, probably more like 84 but he deserves an increase imo. As Clippers would say though this is just "nit picking."
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 28, 2009 1:35:53 GMT -5
I probably got the most players which deserves an increase: bg gasol d12 barnes mason jr roko ukic perkins joel
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