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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 13, 2007 14:15:19 GMT -5
Yea, Luke Walton isn't a bad player..and Navarro could get a lot better in the future...But the point got across
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Dec 13, 2007 17:03:50 GMT -5
NYK ftw
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 13, 2007 17:09:38 GMT -5
you know this is the reason I get worked up, because sometimes annoying people irritates me, which you are doing by mocking my team. Pretty easy to mock a team with 3 players and no future. ironic that a team that didn't have a future and still doesn't have one will win in the future which they have no chance off.
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 13, 2007 17:33:21 GMT -5
A bit repetitive, are we? Redd, Villanueva, Bynum, Balkman, Farmar, Lee 3 first rounders next year.
I like my future.
Leave it to you to be shrouded by the flashy players, though. Apparently you think that's all that needs to be had to win. Good luck. I'll see you doing the same thing that I'm doing now (Worse, might I add) in 2-3 seasons when your players take a serious drop off in rating. (Already happening with Shaq..And we've all seen what JUST Kobe on a team can accomplish - Nothing).
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 13, 2007 18:38:52 GMT -5
A bit repetitive, are we? Redd, Villanueva, Bynum, Balkman, Farmar, Lee 3 first rounders next year. I like my future. Leave it to you to be shrouded by the flashy players, though. Apparently you think that's all that needs to be had to win. Good luck. I'll see you doing the same thing that I'm doing now (Worse, might I add) in 2-3 seasons when your players take a serious drop off in rating. (Already happening with Shaq..And we've all seen what JUST Kobe on a team can accomplish - Nothing). That's if Balkman, Charlie V, Farmer and Lee becomes better. and since real life play effects sim league ratings some of them have no chance. with Randolph and Curry getting most of the touches I doubt the 2 knicks will get enough touches. Farmer isn't even the best PG on the Lakers, it's Javaris Crittenton, he is going to be a star. Farmer will be a starter and a all-star candidate for a few years, but that's about it, he won't help a lot. and with Yi and Bogut, Charlie V will have less playing time. Bynum is the only stud you have besides Redd. Also my players aren't just flashy, they are solid studs too, and with the exception of Shaq Kobe and AI will always have high ratings until they reach 35. Also one more thing as a side note Celtics from 1986-2008 0 NBA Championchips Kobe Bryant 1997-2008 3 NBA Championchips and on top of that Celtics fans were chanting his name at Boston garden last year.
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 13, 2007 19:51:44 GMT -5
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the fact that Kobe's done generally nothing when it comes to productivity as the best player on his team.
Shaq won the titles, not Kobe. But then again, you came to this country in 2000...So I wouldn't expect you to completely understand.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 14, 2007 11:17:15 GMT -5
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the fact that Kobe's done generally nothing when it comes to productivity as the best player on his team. Shaq won the titles, not Kobe. But then again, you came to this country in 2000...So I wouldn't expect you to completely understand. let's see how many titles had Shaq won without Kobe, Wade, and Penny covering his ass, last I checked zero. he had Kobe, Wade, Penny, Person, Horce Grant, Fox, Horry, Fox, Fisher, J. Will, Posey, Zo, rusted up Payton, Karl Malone. but what would Celtic fans know, half of them are just front-runners. BTW I actually know who past Lakers are.
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 14, 2007 15:37:28 GMT -5
Oh look at that..you know how to look up rosters. Apparently you don't know how to interpret them, though. Shaq won titles when he was THE BEST player on the team. The game flowed through him, he was the biggest factor. Kobe hasn't done shit as the best player on a team. End of conversation.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Dec 14, 2007 16:55:06 GMT -5
It's impossible to trade with the Miami GM, all he says is NO, never counters or tells me what he's looking for
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 14, 2007 17:37:54 GMT -5
From what I've heard, he overrates his players drastically, and under rates everyone elses. I'm sure he's just trying to get the best deals possible, but you have to know when a deal is fair or not. Most of the people here aren't completely dumb.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 15, 2007 18:23:38 GMT -5
Oh look at that..you know how to look up rosters. Apparently you don't know how to interpret them, though. Shaq won titles when he was THE BEST player on the team. The game flowed through him, he was the biggest factor. Kobe hasn't done shit as the best player on a team. End of conversation. WHAT HAS SHAQ DONE WHEN HE WAS THE MAN IN ORLANDO? I'll tell you what nothing, he got swept in the finals, and made a couple nice playoffs. Shaq maybe is the MAIN guy, but if he didn't have a great SG to cover his ass then he would have 0 rings. put Shaq with AI in the 3-peat era instead of Kobe and see what happens. Guess what, Micheal Jordan was the main guy when he immidiately came to the Bulls, then why didn't he win a lick of a title until Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen came to the team. Shaq can be the main guy, but if you don't have anyone backing him up and he starts getting owned, the team will struggle and lose. I AM NOT DEFENDING KOBE IN ANYWAY, but don't make Shaq look like a saint, he hasen't done Sh!t without having a great coach and a great SG covering his ass. and now when Wade needs his help instead of playing some defense and creating plays, HE DEMANDS THE BALL 20 TIMES, AND IS PLAYING OUTTA SHAPE. and don't give me this he is 35 years old crap. guess what Reggie Miller played well when he was 38. Alonzo Mourning, Kareem, Hakeem and a few other bigs played well when they were in the late 30's. then why can't FAT SHAQ, I'll tell you why because he is outta shape, his ego is too big to play second fiddles to anyone and I mean anyone. AND on top of that he lacks a work ethic which some of the other greats have. you can blast Kobe for being an A-Hole, but the man atleast has some work ethic and a desire to win, Shaq doesn't have that and never had that, he always wanted to be in the spotlight just like Kobe. but his ego was WAY bigger then Kobe's to handle that. AND another thing, Kobe may have missed the playoffs once, but unlike FAT SHAQ, KOBE's team never got SWEPT in the playoffs. Shaq's team has gotten swept 3 times already. twice in Orlando and once in Miami. and by the way even if Shaq made past the first round of playoffs unlike Kobe, it was only because of Wade and only because of Wade. take Wade out and replace him with Butler or Odom, you got the same scenario you have with the Lakers.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Dec 16, 2007 0:33:32 GMT -5
A dominant big man is a much better option than a dominant SG. Kobe can be stopped every once and a while or will miss his jump shots. Shaq couldn't be stopped by ANYONE when he was in his prime. I think Jordan is one of the greatest athletes not just basketball players of all time but I will even concede Wilt was the greatest basketball player of all time. You don't score 60 points 32 TIMES in a career and be second best. Dominant big guys are much better at winning 'ships. Period.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 27, 2007 10:40:34 GMT -5
Agreed....IMHO Shaq helped kobe's candy ass, he was the most dominating big man EVER...and I dont see anyone being like or better than he is/was... and IMO when Orlando's Shaq went to the playoffs they didnt won cuz of Shaq's had any experience....and went against Hakeem, Drexler and Barkley...there wasnt any chance....
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Dec 27, 2007 15:54:02 GMT -5
Don't forget Kenny Smith
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 29, 2007 9:15:18 GMT -5
Agreed....IMHO Shaq helped kobe's candy ass, he was the most dominating big man EVER...and I dont see anyone being like or better than he is/was... and IMO when Orlando's Shaq went to the playoffs they didnt won cuz of Shaq's had any experience....and went against Hakeem, Drexler and Barkley...there wasnt any chance.... hmm, Penny Hardway and Horce Grant hadan't done nothing to help Shaq's fat ass to get to the playoffs and to the finals in 94. BTW I think you are high, if you THINK SHAQ IS THE MOST DOMINANT BIG EVER. have you ever heard of Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, and Kareem, those guys are better then Fat Shaq. and look at the Miami Heat right now, where's the all mighty Shaq. guess what Shaq also had Kobe on his team when Kobe was a kid and Shaq was still dominant from 1996-1999, guess how many titles he had before Kobe became a star, 0. Shaq always had a great SG to cover his ass wherever he went, with Penny, Kobe, and Wade. so don't give me this Shaq made everyone a legend crap, the only reason why he made people around him better is because of his physical structure it's hard to stop a physical specimen like him which is rare in the NBA to have. BTW when Russell won a title he had Cousy and Havlichek. when Wilt won a title he had Jerry West. when Hakeem won a title he had Clyde. BTW, PG is more important then C, you can plug in any Center, but if you have no PG you have no team. also when Kareem won 5 titles with LAL, he had a guy named Magic Johnson on the team. also I believe he had Oscar Robertson on his team when he was still with the Bucks.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 29, 2007 9:18:59 GMT -5
oh another thing ATL, MJ was not the only EXCEPTION of a Guard leading a team to a title.
Look at the Bad Boys Pistons with Isiah and Dumars, look at Dennis Johnson's Sonics when they won the title in 79 or 78.
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 29, 2007 9:42:25 GMT -5
The Sonics beat the bullets for the title in 78, but it's not as if Johnson was the only player on the team. The roster included Johnson, Gus Williams, John Johnson, Lonnie Shelton and, Last but not least, all-star CENTER Jack Sikma.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 29, 2007 19:14:55 GMT -5
im not used to enter in this topic but...alright:
Lakers...Shaq IS THE MSOT DOMINATING PLAYER EVA! IM NOT TALKING ABOUT TODAY, IM TALKING ABOUT ORLANDO MAGIC...1992...U THINK THAT HE WAS FAT? HE WAS PRETTY ATHLETIC.... Kareem Abdur-Jabbar isnt dominating...he is efficient...he never picks the ball, starts to push the player and dunk on his face...he can do that but he would rather to take a easy shot...Wilt Chamberlain is the same thing...
Dude Shaq was a hell of a power player....when he had that ball on his hands he started to push all guys with him and throw it down HARD UNTIL THE BASKET BREAKS AND THAT SHOT CLOCK HITS HIS HEAD...im not talking about nowadays that Shaq is fat....Shaq's career is pretty much over IMO...he doesnt want to play anymore, doesnt want to get a good body and win titles... im not saying that PG and SG dont matter...but you could have a team with Kobe and Luis Scola and another team with Shaq from orlando magic or something like that and some SG like Devin brown....I would bet in Shaq (FROM ORLANDO) team...he is/was great playing D and makes a lot of points due to his dominating attack...
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Dec 30, 2007 0:13:46 GMT -5
Need a PG to have a team? Cavs went to the Finals without a PG and only ONE great player. Kinda destroys that argument.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Dec 30, 2007 1:22:27 GMT -5
the game has changed alot...all u need is one great player and a mid level superstar to win the title. Let's be real for a secound..Lakers has a legit shot at wiining the title,once shaq slows down he might run into a little trouble but knicks kobe bryant is worth a a david lee,charlie v,parker,bell. The lakers can put kobe on the block right now and get your starting line up. CHarlie v, lee,paker,bell are all role players...at best they might be great role players but never a franchise building material. But Bynum on the other hand might be the next big time...but i have never been on a sim league that lasted more than 2 years.
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