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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Dec 30, 2007 4:13:06 GMT -5
We are talking about real life not sim league
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 30, 2007 10:29:23 GMT -5
yeha Denver it is real life ;D and what the Hawks said is just....great! Cavs with only LeBron went to the finals and it happened almost the same thing that happened with Shaq in Orlando...he had any experience.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 30, 2007 18:03:52 GMT -5
NETS THE ONLY REASON WHY SHAQ WAS EVEN DOMINANT AND ATHELETIC BACK THEN WAS BECAUSE OF HIS SIZE, THE NBA HAS NEVER SEEN THAT KIND OF PHYSICAL BIG MEN SPECIMEN DOMINANT IN THE GAME, THE ONLY REASON WHY SHAQ IS GREAT IS BECAUSE HE IS A POWER BIG NOT AN ATHLETIC ONE.
KAREEM, WILT, RUSSELL, DAVID ROBINSON, HAKEEM, EWING, HECK GEORGE MIKAN WAS MUCH MORE OF AN ATHLETE THEN SHAQ WAS.
Shaq is just like Dwight Howard today, a POWER BIG, not A FINESSE BIG.
BTW to ATL, maybe you forgot the Wizards didn't have Arenas, and Butler, the Nets didn't have Krystic, and also the Pistons are an overrated team.
When your playing in the East aganist that competition in the playoffs last year where everyone was banged up and the Pistons was in a world of euphoria instead of playing basketball, you could have Lebron, with Slava Medvedenko, Micheal Olwakandi, Sasha Vujacic and Raul Lopez, and they'd make the finals.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 30, 2007 18:20:08 GMT -5
dont say that jsut the Piston are good...they still had teams like Toronto, Orlando and heat who was pretty good back there...
and dont say that Shaq wasnt a player with a ood body just because of his size...he as thin and athletic, and Orlando's Shaq was an athlete like Robinson, Ewing and Olajuwon were...thats why he had it to make to the finals...
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 30, 2007 18:47:50 GMT -5
dont say that jsut the Piston are good...they still had teams like Toronto, Orlando and heat who was pretty good back there... and dont say that Shaq wasnt a player with a ood body just because of his size...he as thin and athletic, and Orlando's Shaq was an athlete like Robinson, Ewing and Olajuwon were...thats why he had it to make to the finals... as for the Pistons, it was how the Cavs made the finals without a PG, it's the competition they faced 2 out of the 3 teams they played was banged up, and the Pistons were overrated last year. I am not saying Shaq isn't athletic, he is athletic, but HE IS A POWER ATHLETE. he isn't like Kareem, Wilt, or Russell that can run up and down and play finesse basketball, but also they played power basketball. Shaq is a power big, you put him in run and gun he is history. he does not even have to play in one, look at him on defense. also DEN, Shaq had Kobe on his team win Kobe was a kid and Shaq was a force in the league, why didn't Shaq win a title while Kobe was still a kid. Kobe didn't become a superstar UNTIL Phil Jackson came in and Kurt Rambis gave him playing time in 98-99.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 30, 2007 18:53:45 GMT -5
Kareem almost never picked the ball and started pushing the other players until he dunks in their face...he would take an easy shot cuz he was tall too...he doesnt have the strengh to it all the time so it was rare...
and Orlando's Shaq could run up and down to play all that he wanted to, he had body for that, he had breath for that...
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 30, 2007 18:58:34 GMT -5
Kareem almost never picked the ball and started pushing the other players until he dunks in their face...he would take an easy shot cuz he was tall too...he doesnt have the strengh to it all the time so it was rare... and Orlando's Shaq could run up and down to play all that he wanted to, he had body for that, he had breath for that... Isn't that what your supposed to do, to force the defensive players to back down on D, so you can get a better chance to score on offense as a big, attack from the low block. ARE YOU SURE, seriously Shaq could not have runned up and down the court. Shaq is not the most dominant big, and he isn't certainly the most dominant player, MJ, Wilt, and Russell, heck Karl Freaking Malone was much more dominant then him. Kareem didn't need to power thorugh to score since he was such a good mid range shooter. Also he had the sky hook he could rely on.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 30, 2007 20:07:15 GMT -5
dude...Dominant is when u take control of where you are at...Shaq did that in orlando and a little bit in Lakers...nobody would have the courage to be in front of him...and its not just me who knows and says that...u can look at anywhere that you will see...
and thats what im saying Kareem isnt a dominant player, he is EFFECTIVE...
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Dec 30, 2007 21:14:41 GMT -5
dude...Dominant is when u take control of where you are at...Shaq did that in orlando and a little bit in Lakers...nobody would have the courage to be in front of him...and its not just me who knows and says that...u can look at anywhere that you will see... and thats what im saying Kareem isnt a dominant player, he is EFFECTIVE... True...during shaq's day you could not stop him...he was to strong and had great post skills. Kareem could not take over games like shaq could...u did not need to triple team kareem to stop him.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Dec 30, 2007 22:32:24 GMT -5
Kareem almost never picked the ball and started pushing the other players until he dunks in their face...he would take an easy shot cuz he was tall too...he doesnt have the strengh to it all the time so it was rare... and Orlando's Shaq could run up and down to play all that he wanted to, he had body for that, he had breath for that... Isn't that what your supposed to do, to force the defensive players to back down on D, so you can get a better chance to score on offense as a big, attack from the low block. ARE YOU SURE, seriously Shaq could not have runned up and down the court. Shaq is not the most dominant big, and he isn't certainly the most dominant player, MJ, Wilt, and Russell, heck Karl Freaking Malone was much more dominant then him. Kareem didn't need to power thorugh to score since he was such a good mid range shooter. Also he had the sky hook he could rely on. Did I say the competition was good for the Cavs to get to the Finals? You stated a team can't win without a good PG. Cavs won without a PG. Plain and simple. You can't argue that point.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 30, 2007 22:55:25 GMT -5
Isn't that what your supposed to do, to force the defensive players to back down on D, so you can get a better chance to score on offense as a big, attack from the low block. ARE YOU SURE, seriously Shaq could not have runned up and down the court. Shaq is not the most dominant big, and he isn't certainly the most dominant player, MJ, Wilt, and Russell, heck Karl Freaking Malone was much more dominant then him. Kareem didn't need to power thorugh to score since he was such a good mid range shooter. Also he had the sky hook he could rely on. Did I say the competition was good for the Cavs to get to the Finals? You stated a team can't win without a good PG. Cavs won without a PG. Plain and simple. You can't argue that point. oh okay so Daniel Gibson isn't a PG, Eric Snow was not a good Guard defensively, what about Pavlovic he could be a starter on any team.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 30, 2007 23:01:56 GMT -5
Kareem was not just effective he was dominant, why do you think people was becoming scared when he was dropping the skyhook, when you have post moves, you are sure to be dominant.
If Shaq was lean like kareem then he would not do the moves Kareem did.
Shaq is dominant but to an extent, you can find ways to stop him.
BTW Vlade Divac (ultimate flopper), David Robinson, and Dikembe Mutumbo would disagree with you as well as a few HOF Centers DEN.
As I said, Shaq's physical structure and strength is the only reason he is dominant, take those away from him and you only get a good player.
Shaq is a good athlete, and a dominant player but his dominance goes to an extent, but the other bigs dominance went far beyond that extent.
The only reason why people tried to have million gameplans for Shaq was because of his strength and size which they marvel at, stopping Shaq is complicated, but it can be done because of his size, strength, and the lack of go too move.
YOU CAN'T FIND A WAY to stop guys like Hakeem and Kareem and Wilt.
Because even if they get neutralized for playing like Shaq they had a go too move so dominant that other teams can try to stop them but it ain't happening.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Dec 30, 2007 23:13:42 GMT -5
Kareem was not just effective he was dominant, why do you think people was becoming scared when he was dropping the skyhook, when you have post moves, you are sure to be dominant. If Shaq was lean like kareem then he would not do the moves Kareem did. Shaq is dominant but to an extent, you can find ways to stop him. BTW Vlade Divac (ultimate flopper), David Robinson, and Dikembe Mutumbo would disagree with you as well as a few HOF Centers DEN. As I said, Shaq's physical structure and strength is the only reason he is dominant, take those away from him and you only get a good player. Shaq is a good athlete, and a dominant player but his dominance goes to an extent, but the other bigs dominance went far beyond that extent. The only reason why people tried to have million gameplans for Shaq was because of his strength and size which they marvel at, stopping Shaq is complicated, but it can be done because of his size, strength, and the lack of go too move. YOU CAN'T FIND A WAY to stop guys like Hakeem and Kareem and Wilt. Because even if they get neutralized for playing like Shaq they had a go too move so dominant that other teams can try to stop them but it ain't happening. Lakers what your views on bosh and diwght...it likes shaq and kareem...dwight has power take that away from him and he has ...bosh has offensive tools something howard is lackin such as the mid range,blow by,decent back to the basket game...quick first step.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 31, 2007 10:46:18 GMT -5
dude Orlando's Shaq COULDNT BE STOPPED! JUST WITH FOULS AND EVEN WITH THAT HE WOULD THROW IT DOWN HARD! a Sky Hook isnt DOMINANT, if the player knows how to do it its EFFICIENT!
and Mutombo sucks in offense...the only thing that he knows is a LITTLE BIT of defense
and im not saying ANYTHING about today or some years ago... im talking about 14-15 years ago, where Shaq was like a kid for the NBA and was good in ALL! BTW he knew how to do free throw shoots, and he is the only player that I know that didnt learned how to shoot well and just got worse....but he was great in D and Offensive...you couldnt stop him, just with a foul, and he would make the basket even with any guy in front of him
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 31, 2007 16:16:20 GMT -5
He was pretty unstoppable during a stretch with the Lakers too. (On both ends of the court) A lot of people seem to forget he used to be quite talented on defense as well. - Either way, the Lakers have sucked ever since he left, and won't be contending for a title until they get a real dominant big man (Hopefully Bynum), and a good distributing point guard (Hopefully Farmar or Critt) So the topic is kinda dumb. BTW, anyone watch the Celtics rape the Lakers last night
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 31, 2007 16:19:51 GMT -5
now I didnt see cuz I couldnt....but I wish I could have saw
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 31, 2007 19:53:27 GMT -5
dude Orlando's Shaq COULDNT BE STOPPED! JUST WITH FOULS AND EVEN WITH THAT HE WOULD THROW IT DOWN HARD! a Sky Hook isnt DOMINANT, if the player knows how to do it its EFFICIENT! and Mutombo sucks in offense...the only thing that he knows is a LITTLE BIT of defense and im not saying ANYTHING about today or some years ago... im talking about 14-15 years ago, where Shaq was like a kid for the NBA and was good in ALL! BTW he knew how to do free throw shoots, and he is the only player that I know that didnt learned how to shoot well and just got worse....but he was great in D and Offensive...you couldnt stop him, just with a foul, and he would make the basket even with any guy in front of him If The SKY HOOK is so EFFICIENT, then why haven't other players tried it.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Dec 31, 2007 20:04:40 GMT -5
He was pretty unstoppable during a stretch with the Lakers too. (On both ends of the court) A lot of people seem to forget he used to be quite talented on defense as well. - Either way, the Lakers have sucked ever since he left, and won't be contending for a title until they get a real dominant big man (Hopefully Bynum), and a good distributing point guard (Hopefully Farmar or Critt) So the topic is kinda dumb. BTW, anyone watch the Celtics rape the Lakers last night Shaq was a good defensive player not great, Tim Duncan is great not Shaq. Last I checked The Celtics haven't won since 86 not the Lakers, and I'd like to add something else but it would leave everyone with POOR TASTE, with the comment I wanted to make, so I'll spare you that much.
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Dec 31, 2007 20:05:36 GMT -5
Are you seriously asking that?
That's like asking why Shaq hasn't learned how to make 3's consistently.
..You really are dumb.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Dec 31, 2007 23:36:08 GMT -5
the Sky Hook is efficient but its a really old move...players who want to be good players should try to come up with something new...and Orlando's Shaq WAS GREAT IN D FOR SURE
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