yifor3 - NYK
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Post by yifor3 - NYK on Aug 12, 2008 21:42:45 GMT -5
NY Trades: 74| Jeff Green -- 2,739,700 --2,930,800 -- 3,713,324 2008 NY 1st Round (6th overall) 2008 Denver 1st Round (10th overall)
Total outgoing salary: $2,739,700 Total incoming salary: $14,500,000
Denver Trades: 81| Mike Bibby--$14,500,000 2008 ATL 1st Round Pick (#2)
Total outgoing salary: $14,500,000 Total incoming salary: $2,739,700
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I accept
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Aug 12, 2008 21:47:05 GMT -5
I accept
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 20:27:49 GMT -5
Well this thing got no action. Alright, Bibby makes a TON but at least it expires, and at least he is still an 81 so he's still very good. The #2 is like Rose/Mayo basically...so we're looking at a 77 rookie with tons of potential and room to grow, plus an 81 with a huge expiring contract (actually pretty valuable) in exchange for a 74 soph with room to grow, a 72 rook with room to grow, and probably a 70 or lower rook with room to grow.
81/77 for 74/72/70
I am not gonna vote quite yet, just wanted to put this stuff down...right now I really think Bibby has more value than Denver is getting for him...plus moving the best pick out of here...
I'll vote later tonight or tomorrow
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Aug 13, 2008 20:29:46 GMT -5
Well this thing got no action. Alright, Bibby makes a TON but at least it expires, and at least he is still an 81 so he's still very good. The #2 is like Rose/Mayo basically...so we're looking at a 77 rookie with tons of potential and room to grow, plus an 81 with a huge expiring contract (actually pretty valuable) in exchange for a 74 soph with room to grow, a 72 rook with room to grow, and probably a 70 or lower rook with room to grow. 81/77 for 74/72/70 I am not gonna vote quite yet, just wanted to put this stuff down...right now I really think Bibby has more value than Denver is getting for him...plus moving the best pick out of here... I'll vote later tonight or tomorrow lol u take bibby then try to move him then get back to me
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Post by Orlando Magic on Aug 13, 2008 20:30:32 GMT -5
I would like to hear DEN reasoning on this, as it stands right now. I dont like this at all for Denver and think he is getting ripped off for what hes giving up. Green is good but still not as good as Bibby is in sim leagues and rose is much better than what u could get at 6+10
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Aug 13, 2008 20:42:42 GMT -5
First off i think Jeff Green has an amazing upside. Yes Bibby is a 81 but come on would u refuse 14.5 mill in cap if your planning to draft a PG. I do give up rose but i feel that westbrook or bayless will fall or even love or gordon. Plus i do get the 10th pick. So your going to ask me if y would i trade a 81 pg for his full cap...maybe i'll give harris bibby's money. Then with the #2 i pretty much traded that for jeff green who is sick, maybe bayless who so far in the summer leagues showed he might be ROY and maybe Anthony Randolph. This deal gives me option i'm planning on drafting a pg or sign one...bibby will be on the bench. I pretty much did this deal for the cap for bibby and i get 3 quality young players. Aside from maybe mayo,rose,beasley can you tell me someone in this draft who has a better upside than green and someone i can't get with the 6th and 10th pick.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 21:05:15 GMT -5
lol u take bibby then try to move him then get back to me I have Conley and if I felt I needed another PG I would just pick Rose with the #1. I do think Bibby has pretty good value as a very large expiring contract, that ALSO is an 80+ player. Even if we say Bibby for Green as somewhat close in talent (Bibby better) but you get cap space this year for Bibby (i guess advantage Green cuz cheaper) then it's #2 for #6 and #10... I just think there is a HUGE dropoff after the first three picks. We're talking about 3 possible superstars at 1-2-3 dropping off to possible stars from maybe 4-8 at the lowest, and then probable starters at 9 and below. That's just an estimation, obviously occasionally even a mid 2nd rounder like Redd turns into a star, so obviously the #10 pick could turn into a star...but you're moving an established pretty highly rated guy, plus easily a top 3 guy in the draft who has the best chance of reaching the highest ceiling, for the #5 pick last year and the #6 and 10 this year... I'm still not buying it. Bibby really has better value than this, lots of people will look for cap space starting just a little into the season and Bibby could be VERY highly sought after when Devin Harris and maybe Monta Ellis are signed.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Aug 13, 2008 21:35:00 GMT -5
so your tell me bayless,gordon,love or anthony randoplh don't look good in the summer leagues..that's your opinion...i think green, and gordon or bayless with be as good as rose or mayo. we are both entittle or our opinion so just say accept or reject.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 21:39:22 GMT -5
Nate Robinson was Summer League MVP last year. They're playing against guys far below their talent. Sorry but the Summer League really doesn't mean much to me. If the summer league is your argument at this point...then I dunno. Seems weak to me. It's a good thing to start judging guys but overall, most of the players that aren't rookies are simply not NBA players. Don't put much stock into it.
Ok, so Green/Gordon for Rose let's just say...then it's like Joe Alexander (or something similar) for Bibby... I honestly don't like this deal, and basically agree with Orlando saying "I dont like this at all for Denver and think he is getting ripped off for what hes giving up. Green is good but still not as good as Bibby is in sim leagues and rose is much better than what u could get at 6+10"
Nothing you have said has changed my mind to be honest. so I'm going to reject this one.
Good luck with it though.
Reject
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Post by Utah Jazz on Aug 13, 2008 21:53:39 GMT -5
I'll have to reject. I don't like it for the Nuggets, I understand he's trying to rebuild and get cap space, but trading away a highly touted PG like Rose is not how you do so. After Rose and Beasley (MAYBE Mayo), there's quite a bit dropoff in talent. As for Bibby and Green, I view their talent as equal. Green is younger, but Bibby is currently a better player. In the end, I just don't think the 6th and 10th pick are worth the 2nd pick. Just my take on things.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 13, 2008 21:55:53 GMT -5
If you're already judging Conley on his rookie season where he didn't really get a chance to consistently play, then that's just silly.
I just don't think summer league stats mean much. I think before we can judge those guys we need to see them in the real NBA not just summer league. But this is not a good deal IMO.
Need some more votes !
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Post by Utah Jazz on Aug 13, 2008 21:58:41 GMT -5
I'm not judging this trade on college stats, nor who could be better than whoever is picked at the 2nd pick. I voted from what I know so far, not what could possibly come to be.
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Aug 13, 2008 22:26:35 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to reject too.
Bibby is equal value wise compared to Green if not higher. He has a very large expiring contract that expires when some of the best players hit the market (Paul, Deron, Brand, Bynum etc). He's also one of the better point guards in sim leagues.
That leaves #2 for 6,10 which easily favors NY IMO. Overall I think Denver can get more for the #2 pick and Bibby.
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Aug 14, 2008 6:54:18 GMT -5
same here if youre a rebuilding team it would make no sense to trade away a pick that could get you a franchise player let alone trade a player that could give you a whole lot of cap space for next season
reject
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Aug 14, 2008 7:36:15 GMT -5
Alright, this deal is officially Rejected. Sorry Fellas.
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