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Post by raps03 - TOR on Jul 31, 2008 15:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 31, 2008 15:34:09 GMT -5
I've heard so many things, it's not even funny. From Bay to the Dodgers, what you said, and Manny to LA for Kershaw.
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Post by raps03 - TOR on Jul 31, 2008 15:50:18 GMT -5
yeah well its now official
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 31, 2008 16:25:41 GMT -5
wow, i dont really like this trade for the sox at all, but it helps out other teams in the AL, now that they dont have to worry bout Manny, not saying Bay wont be a very good player for them but still manny was a main component of that team
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Post by rmq2323 - MIL on Jul 31, 2008 16:37:40 GMT -5
wow, i dont really like this trade for the sox at all, but it helps out other teams in the AL, now that they dont have to worry bout Manny, not saying Bay wont be a very good player for them but still manny was a main component of that team I think its a good trade for Boston under the circumstances. Manny was becoming a cancer in Boston and the fans were starting to turn on him. Jason Bay is good a player that has put up good numbers the past couple of seasons. Is Bay as good as Manny? Right now no hes definitely not but he has put up very similar numbers to Manny this year. Being a White Sox fan I would definitely rather have to face Jason Bay instead of Manny Ramirez though
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Jul 31, 2008 16:54:39 GMT -5
wow, i dont really like this trade for the sox at all, but it helps out other teams in the AL, now that they dont have to worry bout Manny, not saying Bay wont be a very good player for them but still manny was a main component of that team I don't see how it helps other AL teams when Bay is putting up similar numbers to Manny (on a sh*tty Pittsburgh team) and he's a better outfielder then Manny. numbers this season: Manny .299BA 20HR 68RBI .398OBP .529SLG Jason .282BA 22HR 64RBI .375OBP .519SLG
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 31, 2008 18:30:01 GMT -5
I HATE ALL BOSTON TEAMS AND ESPICIALLY THE PATS AND RED SOX.
but
the Red Sox have 9 WS
Red Sox WS since 1918-2000 = 0
SINCE MANNY SIGNED WITH BOSTON
Red Sox WS from 2000-2007: 2
NOT TO MENTION, Ramirez was MVP of 04.
so say anything you want about MANNY BEING MANNY, but this man can STILL PRODUCE, the BIGGEST beneficiary of this move is THE YANKEEEEEEESSSSS.
AND BTW, we don't know if Bay is a good player in OCTOBER, when it counts
WE ATLEAST KNOW THAT WITH MANNY, THIS GUY IS STILL A RBI MACHINE WHEN IT COUNTS.
so take whatever you want for granted, but the Red Sox MADE A DUMB MOVE.
if the Yankees can withstand Giambi's steroid problem as well as Clemens and Pettitte.
A-Rod's personal life problems, INJURIES, Hank RUNNING HIS MOUTH.
then I don't see why the Red Sox can't HANDLE a little more MANNY BEING MANNY.
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Post by rmq2323 - MIL on Jul 31, 2008 18:38:08 GMT -5
I HATE ALL BOSTON TEAMS AND ESPICIALLY THE PATS AND RED SOX. but the Red Sox have 9 WS Red Sox WS since 1918-2000 = 0 SINCE MANNY SIGNED WITH BOSTON Red Sox WS from 2000-2007: 2 NOT TO MENTION, Ramirez was MVP of 04. so say anything you want about MANNY BEING MANNY, but this man can STILL PRODUCE, the BIGGEST beneficiary of this move is THE YANKEEEEEEESSSSS. AND BTW, we don't know if Bay is a good player in OCTOBER, when it counts WE ATLEAST KNOW THAT WITH MANNY, THIS GUY IS STILL A RBI MACHINE WHEN IT COUNTS. so take whatever you want for granted, but the Red Sox MADE A DUMB MOVE. if the Yankees can withstand Giambi's steroid problem as well as Clemens and Pettitte. A-Rod's personal life problems, INJURIES, Hank RUNNING HIS MOUTH. then I don't see why the Red Sox can't HANDLE a little more MANNY BEING MANNY. Manny gave the Red Sox no choice but to trade him. You cannot say "The Red Sox Do Not Deserve a Player Like Me" and expect it to not have a negative effect in the clubhouse. The fans were starting to turn on Manny and nothing good was going to come from the Red Sox keeping him. I agree that Manny is better than Bay but for the bad situation Manny put the Red Sox in I think it was a pretty good deal for them under the circumstances. As far as the Yankees go Giambi's steroid use has not been relevant for quite some time now and Pettite isn't really big new anymore either. Clemens is not even on the Yankees so that does not effect them in anyway either. A-Rod's problems are off the field too so that is not really a fair comparison to Manny's shenanigans
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 31, 2008 18:47:06 GMT -5
rmq2323 I agree that the shinanigans gets TIRING, but Brett Favre pulled this crap YET the Packers kept him hell, even going as far as trying to pay him 20 mil to stay retired.
the Lakers had to put up with Kobe and Shaq's antics, and look what happenned they kept Kobe, and they got great value by getting ridding of a rusted up Center and now having a chance to win the next 5 NBA titles with Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom.
How about the Pistons, they deal with Sheed's crap and Sheed delievered a TITLE.
Heck, Joey Porter was a A-Hole too, but look what he did, he helped PIT get a Super Bowl.
yes the SOAP OPERA gets tiring, but you SACRIFICE THAT for WINNING, which is the ULTIMATE GOAL.
do you think Mavs fans CARE about the antics Marc Cuban pulls in the court, NO, because they know the Cuban and Fans want to WIN THE TITLE.
Sometimes the TEAM needs to swallow the PRIDE, and make sure they stay objective and try to do the ultimate job, which is WINNING THE TITLE.
I know the PRIMA DONA act is ANNOYING, but if it means having a chance to WIN IT ALL, then I'll go for it.
WHY DO YOU THINK HOU traded for Artest, they KNOW he has baggage, YET they said we will take that baggage if that helps us win a title.
the Red Sox made a HUGE MISTAKE and they will pay for it.
AL West: Angels AL Central: Twins AL East: YANKEES AL Wild Card: Tampa Bay Rays
NL West: Dodgers NL Central: Cubs NL East: Marlins (Philies Pitching sucks, and Mets will blow up AGAIN.) NL Wild Card: Brewers
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Jul 31, 2008 19:08:03 GMT -5
LA you can't compare Joey Porter to Manny Remarize, sure Joey was an ass but he never played half assed like Manny. It was fine when all Manny was doing was being a goofball but he doesn't always put in the effort and if your getting payed $20 mill you better put in all the effort you can. Plus Bay has similar numbers to him that he put up in a sh*tty line up in Pittsburgh so they'll only get better that he's with the Redsox plus unlike Manny he's not a liability in the out field. And your right we don't know what he can do in October but we do know that he won't get p*ssed and distract the whole team by acting like a 5 year old. And an organization can only swallow their pride for so long until they've had enough. Plus New York isn't going to make the playoffs at all so how does this benefit them
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 31, 2008 21:26:21 GMT -5
LA you can't compare Joey Porter to Manny Remarize, sure Joey was an ass but he never played half assed like Manny. It was fine when all Manny was doing was being a goofball but he doesn't always put in the effort and if your getting payed $20 mill you better put in all the effort you can. Plus Bay has similar numbers to him that he put up in a sh*tty line up in Pittsburgh so they'll only get better that he's with the Redsox plus unlike Manny he's not a liability in the out field. And your right we don't know what he can do in October but we do know that he won't get p*ssed and distract the whole team by acting like a 5 year old. And an organization can only swallow their pride for so long until they've had enough. Plus New York isn't going to make the playoffs at all so how does this benefit them 1. BUT STILL CHI, even though ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, YOU JUST have to swallow your pride. 2. BTW ARE YOU ON CRACK OR COCAINE, typical RED SOX fan answer, if BOS still had MANNY, I would still put them over the Yankees because with Manny they are the better team, but without MANNY they are worse and gotten to the point where they will probably miss the playoffs, Jason Bay is nice but he put the same numbers in the NATIONAL LEAGUE, Manny did it in American League, and AL is better then NL, and if Bay was good PIT would make him untouchable yet they made McClouth untouchable and let go Bay and Nady. AND ANOTHER THING, they just added Pudge Rodriguez, Xavier Nady, AND Damaso Marte, which were the 3 things they needed. RP, OF, and C, with Pudge at Catcher this means bye bye Giambi next year and Posada goes to 1B. and the players the Yankees gave up were not GOOD anyways with one exception. Hawkins sucks, Farnsworth blew leads (heck his counterpart last year Scott Procter is better then him), Olhendorf and Karstens are AVERAGE, and the ONLY REAL player they GAVE UP was Jose Tabata. AND BTW, THE YANKEES ARE CRAZY HOT RIGHT NOW. while the RED SOX GOT OWNED by the Angels.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Jul 31, 2008 21:33:46 GMT -5
You're right the Red Sox did get owned by the Angels, the best team in the league Angels. Yeah the Yankees did get a rip off deal for Pudge but he isn't what he used to be, and NO they won't make the palyoffs. Bay will put up numbers like he has been do to being part of a better lineup and the Rays are better then them too.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Jul 31, 2008 21:51:30 GMT -5
LA you can't compare Joey Porter to Manny Remarize, sure Joey was an ass but he never played half assed like Manny. It was fine when all Manny was doing was being a goofball but he doesn't always put in the effort and if your getting payed $20 mill you better put in all the effort you can. Plus Bay has similar numbers to him that he put up in a sh*tty line up in Pittsburgh so they'll only get better that he's with the Redsox plus unlike Manny he's not a liability in the out field. And your right we don't know what he can do in October but we do know that he won't get p*ssed and distract the whole team by acting like a 5 year old. And an organization can only swallow their pride for so long until they've had enough. Plus New York isn't going to make the playoffs at all so how does this benefit them 1. BUT STILL CHI, even though ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, YOU JUST have to swallow your pride. No when a player starts to personally insult the guy who is paying $20 million (let me repeat that $20 F'N MILLION) thats when it's gone to far, were not talkign about him doing goofball sh*t anymore he isn't even trying and all he's doing is b*tching. And this trade was approved by some of the big name players from the Red Sox so that shows EVERYONE wanted him gone and they'll perform better now without him as a distraction.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 31, 2008 22:18:29 GMT -5
You're right the Red Sox did get owned by the Angels, the best team in the league Angels. Yeah the Yankees did get a rip off deal for Pudge but he isn't what he used to be, and NO they won't make the palyoffs. Bay will put up numbers like he has been do to being part of a better lineup and the Rays are better then them too. yeah chi is right, and btw now looking back on it the yanks didnt rip off the tigs, they got pudge for 2 months then he will probally re sign with the tigs again, plus farnsworth and been pretty good this year
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 31, 2008 22:43:56 GMT -5
LA you can't compare Joey Porter to Manny Remarize, sure Joey was an ass but he never played half assed like Manny. It was fine when all Manny was doing was being a goofball but he doesn't always put in the effort and if your getting payed $20 mill you better put in all the effort you can. Plus Bay has similar numbers to him that he put up in a sh*tty line up in Pittsburgh so they'll only get better that he's with the Redsox plus unlike Manny he's not a liability in the out field. And your right we don't know what he can do in October but we do know that he won't get p*ssed and distract the whole team by acting like a 5 year old. And an organization can only swallow their pride for so long until they've had enough. Plus New York isn't going to make the playoffs at all so how does this benefit them 1. BUT STILL CHI, even though ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, YOU JUST have to swallow your pride. 2. BTW ARE YOU ON CRACK OR COCAINE, typical RED SOX fan answer, if BOS still had MANNY, I would still put them over the Yankees because with Manny they are the better team, but without MANNY they are worse and gotten to the point where they will probably miss the playoffs, Jason Bay is nice but he put the same numbers in the NATIONAL LEAGUE, Manny did it in American League, and AL is better then NL, and if Bay was good PIT would make him untouchable yet they made McClouth untouchable and let go Bay and Nady. AND ANOTHER THING, they just added Pudge Rodriguez, Xavier Nady, AND Damaso Marte, which were the 3 things they needed. RP, OF, and C, with Pudge at Catcher this means bye bye Giambi next year and Posada goes to 1B. and the players the Yankees gave up were not GOOD anyways with one exception. Hawkins sucks, Farnsworth blew leads (heck his counterpart last year Scott Procter is better then him), Olhendorf and Karstens are AVERAGE, and the ONLY REAL player they GAVE UP was Jose Tabata. AND BTW, THE YANKEES ARE CRAZY HOT RIGHT NOW. while the RED SOX GOT OWNED by the Angels. Throughout that rant, you forgot to mention Jarrod Washburn, who you guys are gonna get through waivers.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jul 31, 2008 22:47:13 GMT -5
deal had to be done...bay would do well but the red sox are f**ked in the post season cause manny is one of the best post season players in the league.
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