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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 23, 2008 14:37:27 GMT -5
Atlanta Hawks fans won't have to fret over the fate of restricted free agent swingman Josh Childress anymore.
That's because Childress is no longer a Hawk. He said he agreed to terms Wednesday morning on a three-year contract with Olympiakos of Greece that is worth far more than $20 million initially reported.
Athens, where he and agent Jim Tanner will be until Friday. "I think it was . . . a situation where I didn't know who to expect coming in, coming over to Athens. But it's a great city and a great organization. They do whatever they can to make you feel at home."
The deal is the most lucrative current contract in European basketball and the biggest in Euroleague history. It's also another step in the globalization of the game, a trend that got a huge boost recently when the top-rated U.S. high school player, California native Brandon Jennings, opted for a contract with an Italian team over playing at Arizona.
I really hate that the Europeans are stealing are U.S. Players Is this where were headed? Countries offering are players larger than life contracts to take them overseas? I have a bad feeling this is gonna star happening a lot more often
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 23, 2008 14:44:39 GMT -5
Did you type that up? Or is that some article?
It kinda screws the sim leagues up, huh?
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 23, 2008 15:29:09 GMT -5
Did you type that up? Or is that some article? It kinda screws the sim leagues up, huh? no it was from hoopsworld, i just forgot to post the link and yeah what do we do with childress now?
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Jul 23, 2008 15:45:26 GMT -5
I think we'll keep him in the league but overall this offseason hasn't gone to well for the NBA, I know none of the players that opted to go over seas are STAR players but they are good players getting paid a lot more money because of it, imagine if someone like Josh Smith or even one of the players that will be a big name FA in 2010 would choose to sign over seas, they would make mad money
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 23, 2008 15:52:13 GMT -5
The NBA has to make up a rule or something about this, I mean, Childress is an RFA, the NBA made it that way so other teams couldn't steal other teams' rookies, the same should apply for this. Or give teams that lose FA some type of compensation like the MLB does, I always thought that was a cool rule, though I don't think the picks should be that early on.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Jul 23, 2008 15:55:48 GMT -5
I think European should have to sign RFA to an offer sheet similar to what NBA teams should have to, given the NBA teams a chance to match their offer
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 23, 2008 18:33:12 GMT -5
CHI, THEY CAN'T, it's not possible within the rules of the CBA.
BUT what they can do is when the current CBA expires in 2 years, they can ADD a BUYOUT rule, for NBA players signing with European teams.
European teams usually wants the NBA teams to pay BUYOUTS for their players so they can come and play in the NBA.
SO WHY NOT GIVE THE EUROPEAN TEAMS A TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE.
and if I am David Stern I MAKE IT ATLEAST A 100 MILLION DOLLAR BUYOUT, just to piss em off if anything.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 24, 2008 8:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 24, 2008 19:16:24 GMT -5
Guys, if you were Josh Childress, and you were going to make a little more than the MLE, play maybe 25 minutes a game, get the 7th or 8th seed, eliminated in the first round, why wouldn't you go to Europe to make more than 7 million a year, be the star of your team, play every minute of every game, and bang all the foreign women you want!
This is just the beginning, alot of role players are gonna jump to Europe for a better job.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 24, 2008 20:24:33 GMT -5
Guys, if you were Josh Childress, and you were going to make a little more than the MLE, play maybe 25 minutes a game, get the 7th or 8th seed, eliminated in the first round, why wouldn't you go to Europe to make more than 7 million a year, be the star of your team, play every minute of every game, and bang all the foreign women you want! This is just the beginning, alot of role players are gonna jump to Europe for a better job. you forgot a couple of things about Europe, one they play LESS GAMES then the NBA, AND NOT ALL CONTRACTS ARE GUAREENTEED. Also I don't get HOW HE IS MAKING MORE MONEY IN EUROPE CRAP. ONLY if you CONVERT the Euros to DOLLARS then i can understand the ARGUEMENT, but if he is taking his CURRENT US DOLLARS to Europe, he is gonna get LESS MONEY, and also things in EUROPE are more EXPENSIVE then things in USA (I know I traveled to Europe a lot of times when I was younger.) in REALITY the US players are still making more then the Europeans/Ex-NBA players. and it's not like America is the only country that pays TAX, all the countries do. AND you forgot ONE IMPORTANT FACTOR in all of this. ENDORSEMENTS, in reality the players in the NBA are getting 2 contracts at the same time instead of one, ONE from the NBA and another from a company like Gatorade or Nike or other big businesses. a guy like Chilldress is getting one contract. But I do applude him for using his EDUCATION from Stanford for good use, I'll give him credit for that.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 24, 2008 20:50:50 GMT -5
Theres a couple things you forgot in your argument:
Less Games = If i was Josh Childress, I would look at this as a plus. He plays less games in Europe, for more money than he would for playing more games for less money in the US.
Guaranteed Contracts = This might be true, but in Childress' case, Olympiakos is giving him guaranteed money.
Taxes = Alot of high profile athletes in Europe get a pass on taxes, or so i've heard.
Money = He is earning more money in Europe than he would have with the Hawks.
Endorsements = I didn't say superstars would start jumping ship, i said role players would. Josh Childress doesn't have big endorsements in the US. He probably has a greater chance of getting endorsements in Greece. Heck, look at Beckham coming to the US. (not saying this is like Beckham), but in countries where basketball is not well known, (much like soccer is not well watched in the US), any borderline high profile guy is likely to get major endorsements, and I bet Childress is lined up for a lot of commercials for gyros and feta cheese over in Greece.
I'm not saying Lebron or Kobe will soon be over in Europe, but for guys like Childress, and guys like Tiago Splitter, Europe is the better choice. Why get drafted in the late 20's and get choked in the rookie scale contracts when they could be making twice as much in Europe?
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 24, 2008 20:52:12 GMT -5
scratch that last part about making twice as much, Tiago Splitter is making EIGHT TIMES in Europe what he would have with the Spurs.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2008 9:23:46 GMT -5
Free agents Delonte West, Andris Biedrins and Sasha Vujacic are all strongly considering going to Europe. source=hoopshype This is getting ridiculous
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 25, 2008 16:13:24 GMT -5
Theres a couple things you forgot in your argument: Less Games = If i was Josh Childress, I would look at this as a plus. He plays less games in Europe, for more money than he would for playing more games for less money in the US. Guaranteed Contracts = This might be true, but in Childress' case, Olympiakos is giving him guaranteed money. Money = He is earning more money in Europe than he would have with the Hawks. Endorsements = I didn't say superstars would start jumping ship, i said role players would. Josh Childress doesn't have big endorsements in the US. He probably has a greater chance of getting endorsements in Greece. Heck, look at Beckham coming to the US. (not saying this is like Beckham), but in countries where basketball is not well known, (much like soccer is not well watched in the US), any borderline high profile guy is likely to get major endorsements, and I bet Childress is lined up for a lot of commercials for gyros and feta cheese over in Greece.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 25, 2008 19:02:44 GMT -5
Theres a couple things you forgot in your argument: Less Games = If i was Josh Childress, I would look at this as a plus. He plays less games in Europe, for more money than he would for playing more games for less money in the US. Guaranteed Contracts = This might be true, but in Childress' case, Olympiakos is giving him guaranteed money. Money = He is earning more money in Europe than he would have with the Hawks. Endorsements = I didn't say superstars would start jumping ship, i said role players would. Josh Childress doesn't have big endorsements in the US. He probably has a greater chance of getting endorsements in Greece. Heck, look at Beckham coming to the US. (not saying this is like Beckham), but in countries where basketball is not well known, (much like soccer is not well watched in the US), any borderline high profile guy is likely to get major endorsements, and I bet Childress is lined up for a lot of commercials for gyros and feta cheese over in Greece. CLE, I think Childress made the right move because it's his decision but I disagree with a couple of points, all contracts are not guareenteed most of the time by foreign ESPICIALLY since sometimes the owners of those teams could be members of the Mafia and at times people who work in the GOVERMENT or politics. Another thing is the Endorsements over there won't be the same as here, guys like KD and Lebron, and Tiger are still getting more from that, but if he does get endorsements good for him. Lastly I don't get this MORE MONEY idea. HOW is he getting more money, ONLY if he converts the EURO to DOLLARS then I understand that arguement. THE ONLY OTHER ARGUEMENT is that he does not have to pay TAX because the team will PAY it on his behalf. Other then that I don't get this more money idea, and things in EUROPE are MORE EXPENSIVE then things in America (I know, I visited Europe a lot of times in my younger days) (now I am 17 LOL.) Your arguing like i'm saying that playing in Europe is better than playing in America. For many, it's not. Stars are the one's that get the big endorsements over here. Not the Josh Childresses, the Delonte Wests, Boki Nachbars, etc. But for those group of role players, playing in Europe is better than in the NBA. And last time i checked, 7 million per year is more than 5 million.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 25, 2008 20:23:22 GMT -5
no, I understand that part role players or ANYONE have the right to do whatever they want espicially if a lucrative contract is available or they could become a star somewhere else, I understand that.
but HOW are they making that MORE MONEY thing.
only if you convert the DOLLARS into Euros then you have that arguement or if you don't have to pay the TAXES in Europe.
I don't get how the players leaving for Europe is getting paid more.
That's the part that's confusing me, okay I pretty much got WHY they are leaving and what European teams have to offer or any FOREIGN team.
but how are they getting that MORE money that's the part I don't get.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 26, 2008 20:44:23 GMT -5
Looks like Atlanta is pondering 2 deals S&T deals from Josh Smith, one of the teams is from the East and one from the West. It looks like it the pistons from the eaast offering some package around tayshaun and either the lakers or the mavs. Intresting, I would love to see Josh in a Pistons uni, i think he would give us that huge defensive presence we have been looking for not to mention if he can get a good jump shot this kid is gonna be amazing. www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9603
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 28, 2008 15:38:24 GMT -5
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 28, 2008 15:46:02 GMT -5
hmm, dont like this trade for NY at all
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 28, 2008 17:04:32 GMT -5
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