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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Nov 24, 2007 11:19:10 GMT -5
Hunter: Salary (Per Year): 18 million Age: 32 Contract: $90 million/5 Years Contract Expiration: 2013 (age: 38) Seasons: 11 Gold Gloves: 7 Career Bests: HR: 31 RBI: 107 AVG: .289 SLG: .524 OBP: .337
Wells: Salary (Per Year): 18 million Age: 28 Contract: $126 million/7 Years Contract Expiration: 2015 (age: 36) Seasons: 9 Gold Gloves: 3 Career Bests: HR: 33 RBI: 117 AVG: .317 SLG: .550 OBP: .359
Defensively they're about even, and you can't go wrong with either. Minny was a small-ball team so they let Hunter run; the Blue Jays didn't really give Wells an opportunity to steal 20-30 bases. I would give a very slight edge to Hunter on the base paths. Offensively, Wells has a 108-104 OPS+ edge, and has a batting runs and batting wins edge despite playing in 300 less games career. They are both pretty closely locked (age wise) into contract until 36-38.
Accuse me of bias all you like, but I'll take Wells. Wells, from what we've seen, is better at his best than Hunter is at his. That's what makes me put him over the top....... however, it is very close.
Wells had a down year...really down. It brings his career average numbers down with it, diminishing how well he did in previous seasons. If we are just going by last season, than it would be Hunter...But if Wells can rebound, than its Wells easily.
more HR power, better batting avg, better OBP, better SLG, fewer K's, more triples, comparible fielding.
not to mention Wells is 3 years younger.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Nov 24, 2007 13:35:59 GMT -5
I like Hunter. His kinda play seems better, but Wells is semi-underated IMO.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Nov 24, 2007 13:40:19 GMT -5
Wells has gone down the last few seasons.
Also, Hunter and Wells defensively is not close. Wells is good, but Hunter is other worldly.
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Post by raps03 - TOR on Nov 24, 2007 13:48:01 GMT -5
ill pick Wells. he had an awful season last year but i think he could turn it aorund this year if JP can do something to help the team. Wells was also playing injued, but did not say anything about it, so that also effects his play. two years ago, he was catching anything that came his way, and it was fun to watch. if a healty wells, a great wells
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Nov 25, 2007 21:11:58 GMT -5
Any other baseball fans?
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 25, 2007 21:15:41 GMT -5
Hunter
but i think Granderson will be better than both of them
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Nov 25, 2007 22:27:10 GMT -5
Seattle, you crazy. Just b/c someone can make a few spectacular catches doesn't mean they are good defensively. Hunter's arm has at best been average and now it is below average. He has been fast but never blazing (Wells is close) and never posted monster offensive numbers in a very hitter friendly park. Wells, when healthy, is an MVP candidate. He has 40+ HR potential and could steal 20+ bases with ease if they let him run more. Defensively, Wells is better. Better arm, range (especially now), and accuracy. Wells has to be the choice.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Nov 25, 2007 22:57:08 GMT -5
Seattle, you crazy. Just b/c someone can make a few spectacular catches doesn't mean they are good defensively. Hunter's arm has at best been average and now it is below average. He has been fast but never blazing (Wells is close) and never posted monster offensive numbers in a very hitter friendly park. Wells, when healthy, is an MVP candidate. He has 40+ HR potential and could steal 20+ bases with ease if they let him run more. Defensively, Wells is better. Better arm, range (especially now), and accuracy. Wells has to be the choice. Dude. First of all I said nothing about offense, so you can take that out of the equation. Secondly, I would look at the stats before you call me out, because I know my baseball pretty good. You need to look at range factor, fielding percentage, and zone rating. These are career totals: Hunter: 2.82 RANGE FACTOR | .896 ZONE RATING | .991 FIELDING % Wells: 2.46 RANGE FACTOR | .906 ZONE RATING | .993 FIELDING % Its pretty clear to me that Hunter has a lot & I mean a lot more range than Wells. Its not even close.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Nov 26, 2007 2:42:20 GMT -5
Those numbers are career. I'm not saying who has had the better career. I'm saying who is better now. Also, arm strength is huge. More teams are running on him and not getting thrown out. Defense isn't all about how many balls you can track down. You have to throw them out too.
Last 5 years:
Hunter - 0.972 Field % 17 errors 1733 chances 2.66 range factor Wells - 0.977 Field % 12 errors (including 0 error season) 1755 chances 2.42 range factor
The only thing Hunter is much better at is range factor (which is better as a right fielder)
Wells fields more balls hit into his zone, has a better arm, makes less errors, and has a higher fielding percentage while having more chances (he actually gets to more balls even if he doesn't have as good range).
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Nov 26, 2007 2:43:53 GMT -5
yea I understand where you are coming from. I just believe Hunter is the better fielder, but thats just my opinion.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Nov 30, 2007 21:01:38 GMT -5
Also, you have to factor in the Angels want to win another W.S. before Guerrero is no longer a great player. With adding Hunter, Vlade can now DH a lot more an possibly add a few more productive seasons to his career. I'm not sure if I would have done this especially with the Rays wanting to trade Young but it does give them a sick outfield.
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