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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 22, 2008 0:21:26 GMT -5
I think kobe is still the best player in the game...u can make a strong case for lebron but kobe still can do what lebron does+ he's a better defender. Also kobe is winnin ball games in the west.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 5:16:05 GMT -5
when Lehype wins the NBA title then come back to me, last I checked Kobe never got swept when he is in the playoffs, Lehype did and the Fat Turkey got swept 3 times.
and he just punished the Nuggets with 17 and 11 Points and Dimes, and Lamar finally decided to step up.
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Post by dagr81 - MIN on Jan 22, 2008 14:26:17 GMT -5
I think LeBron is (just barely). Cleveland is much worse without Lebron then the Lakers are without Kobe.
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Post by corey - NYK/CHA on Jan 22, 2008 15:43:14 GMT -5
when Lehype wins the NBA title then come back to me, last I checked Kobe never got swept when he is in the playoffs, Lehype did and the Fat Turkey got swept 3 times. and he just punished the Nuggets with 17 and 11 Points and Dimes, and Lamar finally decided to step up. If you want to play that card, I'll say: "Get back to me when Kobe wins something as the best player on his own team".
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 17:39:47 GMT -5
when Lehype wins the NBA title then come back to me, last I checked Kobe never got swept when he is in the playoffs, Lehype did and the Fat Turkey got swept 3 times. and he just punished the Nuggets with 17 and 11 Points and Dimes, and Lamar finally decided to step up. If you want to play that card, I'll say: "Get back to me when Kobe wins something as the best player on his own team". I can also play the same card with your Celtics, win something then get back to me. but everyone keeps making Lebron look like a saint the next MJ since High School, but what has he done, YEAH SURE HE GOT TO THE FINALS, but that was pure FLUKE.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 18:08:35 GMT -5
Lebron James
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 CLE 80 80 42.4 0.472 0.351 0.750 1.4 6.0 7.4 7.2 2.2 0.6 3.28 1.80 27.2 05-06 CLE 79 79 42.5 0.480 0.335 0.738 0.9 6.1 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.29 2.30 31.4 06-07 CLE 78 78 40.9 0.476 0.319 0.698 1.1 5.7 6.7 6.0 1.6 0.7 3.21 2.20 27.3 07-08 CLE 35 34 40.3 0.481 0.294 0.702 1.7 5.9 7.6 7.4 2.0 1.1 3.37 2.10 29.7 Career -- 351 350 41.2 0.465 0.323 0.729 1.2 5.5 6.7 6.5 1.8 0.7 3.31 2.10 27.0 All-Star -- 3 3 31.3 0.537 0.409 0.375 1.0 5.7 6.7 4.7 1.7 0.0 2.67 0.70
Kobe Bryant
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 LAL 66 66 40.7 0.433 0.339 0.816 1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 1.3 0.8 4.09 2.60 27.6 05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 0.450 0.347 0.850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.90 35.4 06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 0.463 0.344 0.868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.70 31.6 07-08 LAL 39 39 36.8 0.446 0.349 0.849 1.0 4.8 5.8 5.1 2.1 0.4 3.10 2.40 27.4 Career -- 823 675 36.2 0.452 0.338 0.839 1.2 4.0 5.2 4.6 1.5 0.5 2.92 2.70 24.7 All-Star -- 9 9 29.4 0.500 0.350 0.778 1.6 3.4 5.0 5.2 2.9 0.4 3.00 3.10 20.0
LET'S LOOK AT THE 07-08 NUMBERS.
Lebron is ahead of Kobe in points, rebounds, assist, AND blocks.
BUT THE STAT PADDER and his team is 22-16 and 5th place in East and also 11.5 games outta first place Celtics FOR THE SO CALLED EC CHAMPS.
Kobe THE FORMER STAT PADDER (GUESS NOW THAT HE HAS A TEAM ALL HE WANTS IS THE RING)
team is 26-12 and in 3rd place and 1.5 games out of first place to CATCH the Suns.
Last 3 years Kobe was a stat padder, result we already knew.
Kobe owned Lebron in points last 3 years, lost in Assist and Rebounds, but I believe had 2 of those 3 seasons having better Steals Per Game and Blocks per game then Lebron.
Lebron had LET HIS SOLID TEAMMATES PLAY, and the Cavs did what they did WHICH WAS TOTAL FLUKE, AND WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
Lebron's teammate>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe's teamates
I still think Lebron's team mates are better then Kobe, OBVIOUSLY WITH BYNUM A STAR AND ODOM TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT THIS COULD CHANGE.
here is Larry Hughes stats, obviously INJURY was a concern but still Hughes had better number then Odom the last 2 years.
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 05-06 CLE 36 31 35.6 0.409 0.368 0.756 0.7 3.8 4.5 3.6 1.5 0.6 2.75 3.30 15.5 06-07 CLE 70 68 37.1 0.400 0.333 0.676 0.6 3.2 3.8 3.7 1.3 0.4 2.20 2.30 14.9 07-08 CLE 26 18 28.0 0.337 0.290 0.860 0.5 2.5 3.0 2.2 1.6 0.2 1.96 2.20 9.2
Big Z
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 05-06 CLE 78 78 29.3 0.506 0.000 0.834 3.1 4.4 7.6 1.2 0.5 1.7 1.99 3.60 15.6 06-07 CLE 78 78 27.3 0.485 0.000 0.807 3.1 4.6 7.7 1.6 0.6 1.3 1.81 3.30 11.9 07-08 CLE 40 40 30.4 0.469 0.000 0.825 3.5 6.1 9.6 1.2 0.5 1.4 1.80 3.50 13.3
the Lakers Centers were garbage.
Here is Drew Gooden's stats
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 04-05 CLE 82 80 30.8 0.492 0.179 0.810 2.5 6.7 9.2 1.6 0.9 0.9 1.62 2.80 14.4 05-06 CLE 79 79 27.5 0.512 0.333 0.682 3.0 5.4 8.4 0.7 0.7 0.6 1.34 2.40 10.7 06-07 CLE 80 80 28.0 0.473 0.167 0.714 3.3 5.2 8.5 1.1 0.9 0.3 1.44 2.60 11.1 07-08 CLE 40 40 31.7 0.439 0.000 0.724 2.4 6.4 8.8 1.0 0.8 0.6 1.88 2.80 11.9
better then any PF LAL had, BTW Odom is a SF being forced to play PF.
AND EVERYONE SAYS KOBE CAN'T MAKE A TEAMMATE BETTER HERE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
SMUSH ****ING PARKER
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 02-03 CLE 66 18 16.7 0.402 0.322 0.831 0.4 1.4 1.8 2.5 0.7 0.2 2.02 1.60 6.2 04-05 DET 11 1 10.0 0.393 0.222 0.692 0.2 0.6 0.8 1.0 0.3 0.0 0.91 1.20 3.0 04-05 PHO 5 0 6.8 0.467 0.250 0.000 0.4 0.2 0.6 0.8 0.4 0.0 1.80 0.60 3.0 05-06 LAL 82 82 33.8 0.447 0.366 0.694 0.5 2.9 3.3 3.7 1.7 0.2 1.79 2.60 11.5 06-07 LAL 82 80 30.0 0.436 0.365 0.646 0.5 2.0 2.5 2.8 1.5 0.1 1.87 2.60 11.1 07-08 MIA 9 0 20.3 0.315 0.250 0.750 0.2 1.9 2.1 1.7 0.6 0.3 0.89 1.40 4.8
LOOK AT HIS NUMBER'S FROM LAKERS AND HEAT.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 18:11:50 GMT -5
Kobe was a stat padder in the past and that's why his team lost and he realized it, and basically used this season as a "TRADE ME NOW THING" and instead he elevated most of his teammates game.
LeHype and His teammates were solid the last 2 years, BUT THIS YEAR Lebron stat pads, Cavs suck and his teammates are suffering because of it.
only reason why they are even in contention besides Lebron is because Big Z, Varajao, Gooden are getting their groove back and they finally have found a short term solution at PG with Daniel Gibson.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 22, 2008 18:47:19 GMT -5
If you want to play that card, I'll say: "Get back to me when Kobe wins something as the best player on his own team". I can also play the same card with your Celtics, win something then get back to me. but everyone keeps making Lebron look like a saint the next MJ since High School, but what has he done, YEAH SURE HE GOT TO THE FINALS, but that was pure FLUKE. gotta remember tho the dude is only 23...and is alot better than kobe when he was 23. Right now tho kobe is a little better.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 18:54:12 GMT -5
I can also play the same card with your Celtics, win something then get back to me. but everyone keeps making Lebron look like a saint the next MJ since High School, but what has he done, YEAH SURE HE GOT TO THE FINALS, but that was pure FLUKE. gotta remember tho the dude is only 23...and is alot better than kobe when he was 23. Right now tho kobe is a little better. Kobe at 23 already won his second NBA title.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 22, 2008 19:00:59 GMT -5
you mean shaq won those championship kobe just enjoyed the ride. We all know shaq was dave chappelle and kobe was charlie murphy...WIthout shaq kobe would anit have shit...same with dwade.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 19:13:39 GMT -5
you mean shaq won those championship kobe just enjoyed the ride. We all know shaq was dave chappelle and kobe was charlie murphy...WIthout shaq kobe would anit have shit...same with dwade. ARE YOU SURE? The great Shaq right now and the Heat are in last place, did you watch yestarday's game, IT WAS BECAUSE OF WADE THEY WON THE TITLE. BTW Shaq was never good without having a great SG on his team, look at Penny, Kobe and Wade. Kobe's numbers Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 0.417 0.375 0.819 0.7 1.2 1.9 1.3 0.7 0.3 1.58 1.40 7.6 97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 0.428 0.341 0.794 1.0 2.1 3.1 2.5 0.9 0.5 1.99 2.30 15.4 98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 0.465 0.267 0.839 1.1 4.2 5.3 3.8 1.4 1.0 3.14 3.10 19.9 99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 0.468 0.319 0.821 1.6 4.7 6.3 4.9 1.6 0.9 2.76 3.30 22.5 00-01 LAL 68 68 40.9 0.464 0.305 0.853 1.5 4.3 5.9 5.0 1.7 0.6 3.24 3.30 28.5 01-02 LAL 80 80 38.3 0.469 0.250 0.829 1.4 4.1 5.5 5.5 1.5 0.4 2.79 2.90 25.2 Shaq's numbers Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 96-97 LAL 51 51 38.1 0.557 0.000 0.484 3.8 8.7 12.5 3.1 0.9 2.9 2.86 3.50 26.2 97-98 LAL 60 57 36.3 0.584 0.000 0.527 3.5 7.9 11.4 2.4 0.6 2.4 2.92 3.20 28.3 98-99 LAL 49 49 34.8 0.576 0.000 0.540 3.8 6.9 10.7 2.3 0.7 1.7 2.49 3.20 26.3 99-00 LAL 79 79 40.0 0.574 0.000 0.524 4.3 9.4 13.6 3.8 0.5 3.0 2.82 3.20 29.7 00-01 LAL 74 74 39.5 0.572 0.000 0.513 3.9 8.8 12.7 3.7 0.6 2.8 2.95 3.50 28.7 01-02 LAL 67 66 36.1 0.579 0.000 0.555 3.5 7.2 10.7 3.0 0.6 2.0 2.55 3.00 27.2 WHY DIDN'T SHAQ WIN THE TITLE WHEN DEL HARRIS AND KURT RAMBIS WAS COACH AND WHEN KOBE WAS STILL A KID. in his 1st 3 years with Kobe Shaq put UP THOSE SAME MONSTER NUMBERS yet the Lakers didn't win a title. AND WHEN KOBE STARTED BECOMING A BETTER PLAYER, then Shaq won those titles.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jan 22, 2008 19:13:45 GMT -5
gotta remember tho the dude is only 23...and is alot better than kobe when he was 23. Right now tho kobe is a little better. Kobe at 23 already won his second NBA title.Didn't he have Shaq? LeBron has no one, they're all losers, especially Hughes with his big ass contract with him doing nothing.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 22, 2008 19:19:17 GMT -5
Kobe at 23 already won his second NBA title. Didn't he have Shaq? LeBron has no one, they're all losers, especially Hughes with his big ass contract with him doing nothing. your forgettin tho lebron team is still decent...with shaq and kobe won together....but after shaq kobe took his game to the next level. What has kobe done to not make him the best player in the league when he was for the last 2 years. Yes lebron stats are crazy but if kobe wants to he can drop 50...instead he's all about winnin.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 19:22:06 GMT -5
Here are Shaq's playoff numbers
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 96-97 LAL 9 9 36.2 0.514 0.000 0.610 4.2 6.3 10.6 3.2 0.6 1.9 2.44 4.10 26.9 97-98 LAL 13 13 38.5 0.612 0.000 0.503 3.7 6.5 10.2 2.9 0.5 2.6 3.31 3.20 30.5 98-99 LAL 8 8 39.4 0.510 0.000 0.466 5.5 6.1 11.6 2.3 0.9 2.9 2.25 3.60 26.6 99-00 LAL 23 23 43.5 0.566 0.000 0.456 5.2 10.3 15.4 3.1 0.6 2.4 2.43 2.90 30.7 00-01 LAL 16 16 42.3 0.555 0.000 0.525 5.7 9.8 15.4 3.2 0.4 2.4 3.56 3.40 30.4 01-02 LAL 19 19 40.8 0.529 0.000 0.649 3.5 9.1 12.6 2.8 0.5 2.5 3.26 3.30 28.5
Here is Kobe's playoff numbers
Career Playoff Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 96-97 LAL 9 0 14.8 0.382 0.261 0.867 0.1 1.1 1.2 1.2 0.3 0.2 1.56 2.60 8.2 97-98 LAL 11 0 20.0 0.408 0.214 0.689 0.6 1.3 1.9 1.5 0.3 0.7 1.00 2.50 8.7 98-99 LAL 8 8 39.4 0.430 0.348 0.800 1.6 5.3 6.9 4.6 1.9 1.2 3.88 3.00 19.8 99-00 LAL 22 22 39.0 0.442 0.344 0.754 1.2 3.3 4.5 4.4 1.5 1.5 2.50 4.00 21.1 00-01 LAL 16 16 43.4 0.469 0.324 0.821 1.8 5.4 7.3 6.1 1.6 0.8 3.19 3.30 29.4 01-02 LAL 19 19 43.8 0.434 0.379 0.759 1.5 4.4 5.8 4.6 1.4 0.9 2.84 3.40 26.6
and both of them GOES UP TO THE 3-PEAT YEARS.
look at Kobe's number from the lockout year to the last title, notice HOW it skyrocketed, and the Lakers became better.
Shaq's numbers stayed the same YET HE COULDEN'T WIN A TITLE WHEN KOBE WAS STILL A NEWBIE.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 22, 2008 19:23:49 GMT -5
lol your forgettin when kobe was a newbie it was mj who is head over heel better than kobe..winning
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 19:27:26 GMT -5
lol your forgettin when kobe was a newbie it was mj who is head over heel better than kobe..winning hmm, so Pippen, Paxson, Horce Grant, Luc Longley, Will Perdue, Bill Cartwright, and a few other Bulls as well as Phil had nothing to do with it. BTW Jordan didn't win a title in his 1st 3 years, when Pippen and Phil came ironically he won the title, NOW AM I SAYING KOBE IS BETTER THEN HIM, NO, but Jordan needed some help as well.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 22, 2008 19:29:08 GMT -5
Shaq
Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 92-93 ORL 81 81 37.9 0.562 0.000 0.592 4.2 9.6 13.9 1.9 0.7 3.5 3.79 4.00 23.4 93-94 ORL 81 81 39.8 0.599 0.000 0.554 4.7 8.5 13.2 2.4 0.9 2.8 2.74 3.50 29.3 94-95 ORL 79 79 37.0 0.583 0.000 0.533 4.2 7.3 11.4 2.7 0.9 2.4 2.58 3.30 29.3 95-96 ORL 54 52 36.0 0.573 0.500 0.487 3.4 7.7 11.0 2.9 0.6 2.1 2.87 3.60 26.6
playoffs Career Playoff Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 93-94 ORL 3 3 42.0 0.511 0.000 0.471 5.7 7.7 13.3 2.3 0.7 3.0 3.33 4.30 20.7 94-95 ORL 21 21 38.3 0.577 0.000 0.571 4.5 7.4 11.9 3.3 0.9 1.9 3.48 4.00 25.7 95-96 ORL 12 12 38.3 0.606 0.000 0.393 4.1 5.9 10.0 4.6 0.8 1.2 3.67 3.30 25.8
reg. season Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 04-05 MIA 73 73 34.1 0.601 0.000 0.461 3.5 6.9 10.4 2.7 0.5 2.3 2.78 3.60 22.9 05-06 MIA 59 58 30.6 0.600 0.000 0.469 2.9 6.3 9.2 1.9 0.4 1.8 2.85 3.90 20.0 06-07 MIA 40 39 28.4 0.591 0.000 0.422 2.4 5.0 7.4 2.0 0.2 1.4 2.38 3.50 17.3 07-08 MIA 32 32 28.5 0.581 0.000 0.482 3.0 4.8 7.8 1.4 0.6 1.7 2.91 4.00 14.2
playoffs Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 04-05 MIA 13 13 33.2 0.558 0.000 0.472 1.5 6.4 7.8 1.9 0.4 1.5 3.23 4.00 19.4 05-06 MIA 23 23 33.0 0.612 0.000 0.374 3.3 6.5 9.8 1.7 0.5 1.5 3.70 3.70 18.4 06-07 MIA 4 4 30.3 0.559 0.000 0.333 4.0 4.5 8.5 1.3 0.2 1.5 3.50 3.80 18.8
D-Wade
reg. season Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 04-05 MIA 77 77 38.6 0.478 0.289 0.762 1.4 3.7 5.2 6.8 1.6 1.1 4.17 3.00 24.1 05-06 MIA 75 75 38.6 0.495 0.171 0.783 1.4 4.3 5.7 6.7 2.0 0.8 3.57 2.90 27.2 06-07 MIA 51 50 37.9 0.491 0.266 0.807 1.0 3.7 4.7 7.5 2.1 1.2 4.24 2.30 27.4 07-08 MIA 32 30 38.2 0.469 0.259 0.748 1.0 3.2 4.2 6.8 1.9 0.8 4.41 2.60 25.0
Career Playoff Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 04-05 MIA 14 14 40.8 0.484 0.100 0.799 1.6 4.1 5.7 6.6 1.6 1.1 4.43 3.10 27.4 05-06 MIA 23 23 41.7 0.497 0.378 0.808 1.2 4.7 5.9 5.7 2.2 1.1 3.91 3.10 28.4 06-07 MIA 4 4 40.5 0.429 0.000 0.688 1.8 3.0 4.8 6.3 1.2 0.5 5.75 3.30 23.5
Hardway's regular season numbers Career Season Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 93-94 ORL 82 82 36.8 0.466 0.267 0.742 2.3 3.0 5.4 6.6 2.3 0.6 3.56 2.50 16.0 94-95 ORL 77 77 37.7 0.512 0.349 0.769 1.8 2.6 4.4 7.2 1.7 0.3 3.35 2.10 20.9 95-96 ORL 82 82 36.8 0.513 0.314 0.767 1.6 2.7 4.3 7.1 2.0 0.5 2.79 2.00 21.7
Hardway's playoff numbers Career Playoff Averages Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 93-94 ORL 3 3 44.3 0.440 0.455 0.700 2.7 4.0 6.7 7.0 1.7 2.0 6.67 3.30 18.7 94-95 ORL 21 21 40.4 0.472 0.404 0.757 1.4 2.3 3.8 7.7 1.9 0.7 3.48 3.30 19.6 95-96 ORL 12 12 39.4 0.465 0.364 0.744 1.7 3.0 4.7 6.0 1.7 0.3 2.17 2.30 23.3
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 22, 2008 19:31:50 GMT -5
See you don't get the main point...MJ was the man....Shaq was the man of the lakers team when they won...kobe was the role player.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jan 22, 2008 19:34:30 GMT -5
See you don't get the main point...MJ was the man....Shaq was the man of the lakers team when they won...kobe was the role player. Don't say it like that. Say Kobe is Shaq(Batman)'s Robin. Sounds cooler.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jan 22, 2008 19:36:28 GMT -5
See you don't get the main point...MJ was the man....Shaq was the man of the lakers team when they won...kobe was the role player. Don't say it like that. Say Kobe is Shaq(Batman)'s Robin. Sounds cooler. lol that's a good one
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