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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Dec 19, 2009 4:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Dec 19, 2009 13:25:15 GMT -5
Great points Boston, I agree with you completely.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Dec 19, 2009 13:38:00 GMT -5
OK so I think we can come to a conclusion that Stormile Swift and Brian Cardinal are horrible examples for this as both would have a slim of getting ANY new contract in the NBA now. I think two better examples are Troy Murphy and Eric Dampier, now both of these guys are far from being anything special but I'd say if they were to be benched and get close to no playing time I bet they would accept a buyout Even Murphy and Dampier are bad examples. Why would a team want to buyout a player who could play a role for them. Murphy is a good rebounder and shooter for a big. Dampier is 7 footer who can play some defense and block some shots. So why would either team want to pay these guys millions just to go away. You either have players in the category of a Swift/Cardinal who don't take buyouts because they know they will never see that type of money again. Or you have Murphy/Dampier type players who are over paid, yes, but good enough to play a role. If a team buys out a player like that, they lose the money, they lose the player for nothing, and they lose the role he played for their team, so it would hurt them more than it helps. This is why you don't see these type of buy outs in the NBA. Because even though they are good players they are NOT worth their contracts
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Dec 19, 2009 13:46:49 GMT -5
A lot of players aren't worth their contracts but that doesn't mean they're getting bought out. Teams don't want to lose important players for nothing.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 19, 2009 13:54:38 GMT -5
Back to the honest part of this, I don't think I ever traded for Dan Gadzuric, I may be wrong though.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 19, 2009 15:16:16 GMT -5
Nevermind, I made that trade for him
It was a dumb one..
My first trade of this league.
And I think I shouldn't be punished for making one dumb trade.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Dec 19, 2009 18:02:28 GMT -5
A lot of players aren't worth their contracts but that doesn't mean they're getting bought out. Teams don't want to lose important players for nothing. Exactly. Last night Dampier had 9 points, 14 rebounds, and 3 blocks. How would it help a team to pay him millions to go away. They lose money and his production for nothing. Troy Murphy is averaging 13 points and 9 rebounds a game, while shooting 38% from 3. Again, how would it benefit a team to pay him money to go away.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Dec 19, 2009 18:03:26 GMT -5
Nevermind, I made that trade for him It was a dumb one.. My first trade of this league. And I think I shouldn't be punished for making one dumb trade. Why not?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 19, 2009 18:12:11 GMT -5
I made ONE dumb trade and it was my first dumb trade in the league.
To be honest, Boston, we all make mistakes.
Real Life GM's make mistakes as well and they get the chance to buy out guys as well, why don't we?
I like the One Time Amnesty rule as well. If we implement that then I'd be happy. I just want to get rid of Gadz because the guy is useless.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Dec 19, 2009 18:20:34 GMT -5
I made ONE dumb trade and it was my first dumb trade in the league. To be honest, Boston, we all make mistakes. Real Life GM's make mistakes as well and they get the chance to buy out guys as well, why don't we? I like the One Time Amnesty rule as well. If we implement that then I'd be happy. I just want to get rid of Gadz because the guy is useless. So because you made ONE bad move you should be able to do it over? Gadz was useless when you traded for him, so you should have thought of that then, not complain now about how useless he is and you deserve a re-do. I understand all GM's make bad moves. I have made plenty myself. When I first joined this league I traded a 1st round pick that ended up being a top 10 pick for Quentin Richardson. I didn't get a do over, or ask for one. It was my mistake, and I had to deal with it, why are you any different. As far as the NBA having buyouts, I have explained in detail why our league having a buyout is different than the NBA. So just go read my post again because I don't feel like retyping it.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 19, 2009 18:23:27 GMT -5
QRich expired in less time than Gadz. His contract runs for 4 years, you are a f**king retard if you don't realize this.
Go back and look why I did the trade. It was to get rid of Adoynal Foyle. Who sucked even worse.
I made a dumb move, the one time amnesty rule is the best thing for the league. I have to find a way to compete and that extra 6 million dollar in cap space will be the best thing for me.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Dec 19, 2009 18:28:01 GMT -5
QRich expired in less time than Gadz. His contract runs for 4 years, you are a f**king retard if you don't realize this. Go back and look why I did the trade. It was to get rid of Adoynal Foyle. Who sucked even worse. I made a dumb move, the one time amnesty rule is the best thing for the league. I have to find a way to compete and that extra 6 million dollar in cap space will be the best thing for me. I wasn't talking about Richardsons contract, as much as I was about the fact I lost a top 10 pick. Gadz contract hasn't changed since the time you traded for it. So whatever complaints you have about now should have stopped you from trading for it in the first place. I understand you want to compete, I am pretty sure everybody here wants to compete, but I don't think we need to put in unnecessary rules to help you do so.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 19, 2009 18:29:31 GMT -5
QRich expired in less time than Gadz. His contract runs for 4 years, you are a f**king retard if you don't realize this. Go back and look why I did the trade. It was to get rid of Adoynal Foyle. Who sucked even worse. I made a dumb move, the one time amnesty rule is the best thing for the league. I have to find a way to compete and that extra 6 million dollar in cap space will be the best thing for me. I wasn't talking about Richardsons contract, as much I was the fact I lost a top 10 pick. Gadz contract hasn't changed since the time you traded for it. So whatever complaints you have about now should have stopped you from trading for it in the first place. I understand you want to compete, I am pretty sure everybody here wants to compete, but I don't think we need to put in unnecessary rules to help you do so. O.K.A.Y. Let me spell this out for you, I.T.I.S.A.R.E.A.L.L.I.F.E.R.U.L.E. Why is it unnecessary if they have it in REAL LIFE
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Post by Boston Celtics on Dec 19, 2009 18:32:54 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about Richardsons contract, as much I was the fact I lost a top 10 pick. Gadz contract hasn't changed since the time you traded for it. So whatever complaints you have about now should have stopped you from trading for it in the first place. I understand you want to compete, I am pretty sure everybody here wants to compete, but I don't think we need to put in unnecessary rules to help you do so. O.K.A.Y. Let me spell this out for you, I.T.I.S.A.R.E.A.L.L.I.F.E.R.U.L.E. Why is it unnecessary if they have it in REAL LIFE BECAUSE IT IS USED FOR DIFFERENT REASONS IN REAL LIFE, NOT FOR THE PURPOSE YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR. These things have already been discussed at great length. Go read this thread over again, and maybe you will understand.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Dec 19, 2009 18:34:18 GMT -5
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Post by sniper on Dec 19, 2009 20:33:51 GMT -5
Does the One Time Amnesty thing mean that everyone at a certain time can buyout 1 player? Or does it mean that each team can buyout 1 player at any time they choose?
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Dec 22, 2009 2:02:54 GMT -5
Ok, I am still confused to how this would be bad for the league. The GMs most likely to take advantage of this are the GMs that have managed their cap room to be able to use a large chunk of it for a buyout. I haven't gone through every team yet but when I have I will post the grand total of the worst contracts in the league. Contracts that could and possibly are hurting those teams chances of improving (signing FAs, making trades, etc.) or are just absolutely horrid. We can then get a good feel for how many possible buyouts could occur per season and how "terrible" it would be for the league.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 24, 2009 17:12:46 GMT -5
Any update?
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Dec 24, 2009 23:34:01 GMT -5
San Antonio, we have all made bad trades in this league and you have to be held accountable for them. I traded away Rodney Stuckey for nothing, and now i have to reap the punishment for it. We don't have "rewinds".
Your argument is based on two main points.
1. Mercy/Amnesty - Which i just addressed above. You made horrible trades, and if you want to open up cap space, go make some trades. Its a process. Do it like i did - constructing your roster so that bad contracts expire earlier - thats how I got rid of Gadzuric.
2. I.T.S.A.R.E.A.L.L.I.F.E.R.U.L.E. - Which is absolutely a retarted argument. This is a sim league. We have no way of accounting for net income or a positive income that would allow teams to constitute a buyout in real life. So if you want to find a way to do that than go ahead.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Dec 24, 2009 23:41:37 GMT -5
Cleveland, the way I look at it is this. It's a real life rule, and you can say that it's retarded. Our job as a GM in this virtual world is to field the best roster as we can, and this is a realistic argument. If I'm attempting to field the best roster, I need to be able to use all my assets. If there is a real life rule that grants me that, then I will use that real life rule to field my best team.
And to an extent we do worry about being over/under the budget. We in this league should have a hard cap,as somebody brought up before.
The real life NBA makes exceptions anyway, and if you think there's any way in hell I'm trading away Gadzuric.. then you're high. I made a deal with you back then because I was new to the league and to be honest was invested highly in one league and not this one. Notice the bonehead moves I've made. I'm not that much of an idiot. I can make legit trades, it's just going to require a bunch of time and a LITTLE bit of talent to work with.
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