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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 14:14:37 GMT -5
I don't want to get my thing thrown out, I'm trying to explain how I feel...I'm not being bias.
On a side note I'd be careful how high you raise ANY bigman, it makes them insane.
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Post by supremegm - MIA on Apr 15, 2009 14:50:05 GMT -5
The Spurs wouldn't win 30 games without Duncan
The Rockets would have the same record without Battier
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Apr 15, 2009 15:01:07 GMT -5
Yes you can be, if you are getting open jumpers (because of Parker) then you are going to score. I didn't say he was crap, but he is nothing compared to what he was. I stand by my statement that is he nothing more than a big man version of Shane Battier. PS. The Spurs have Drew Gooden now, legit starting big. I've never herd of tim duncan being a jumper shooter like kg...the tim duncan i watch likes to play with his back to the basket. When he's open its cause of there system drive and kick. Mason benefits from it. Imo Tim Duncan made tony parker...he pretty much the same guy from day one except he has been hurt. A healthy td would destroyed battier. Its sad that u compare him to shane a guy who is a loser has not made it out for the first round along with the entire rockets. Battier has struggles to score 10ppg will never be an all star and his claim to be a good defender is bootleg cause he can't stop the kobes etc in the big game.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 15:43:19 GMT -5
When is the last time you watched Duncan...in the words of "Kobe" It's 2008, not 1999. Tim Duncan is not what he was and Parker, Pop, and to a less extent Manu have sheltered him in there system. You have Bosh and him or Amare and him switches team, they won't be as good defensively but there offense will increase A LOT.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 15:44:20 GMT -5
The Spurs wouldn't win 30 games without Duncan The Rockets would have the same record without Battier Spurs would still make the playoffs, Rockets wouldn't be NEARLY as good without Battier...he does a lot for them. Duncan does a lot for San Antonio, but he isn't a super star anymore.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Apr 15, 2009 16:34:46 GMT -5
559-229 Spurs record since Tim Duncan joined the team, the best in the NBA over that span. .709 Spurs winning percentage over the last 10 years, the best winning percentage of any team in professional sports over that span.
.734 Spurs winning percentage during the Tim Duncan era in games played after the All-Star break (does not include games played during the 1998-99 shortened season).
840 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in free throws made.
946 Playoff game experience on Spurs roster.
1,183 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in field goals made.
1,203 Tim Duncan, Spurs Career playoff leader in free throws attempted.
1,682 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in rebounds.
2,325 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in field goals attempted.
3,209 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in points.
ALL TIM DUNCAN....ARE U FORGETTING TIM DUNCAN WON TWO TITLE WITHOUT TONY INFLUENCE THE TEAM AT ALL. DUNCAN IS A BIGGER UPGRADE THAN BOSH AND AMARE ON ANY TEAM. KOBE IN 99 WAS NOTHING (IVERSON,VINCE,allen HOUSTON ALL ABOVE KOBE) TODAY HIS MATURITY HAS MADE HIS THE BEST. BUT THAT MATURITY HAS NOT PRODUCE A TITLE. DUNCAN ON THE OTHER HAND HAS WON 4 TITLES ALONG WITH SHAQ IN THAT TITLE PERIOD. HIS NUMBERS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Apr 15, 2009 16:53:51 GMT -5
Need more rankings here. We only have 11;
OKC Detroit Miami New Jersey Denver Chicago Philly LA Lakers Utah Charlotte Washington
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 17:05:36 GMT -5
559-229 Spurs record since Tim Duncan joined the team, the best in the NBA over that span. .709 Spurs winning percentage over the last 10 years, the best winning percentage of any team in professional sports over that span. .734 Spurs winning percentage during the Tim Duncan era in games played after the All-Star break (does not include games played during the 1998-99 shortened season). 840 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in free throws made. 946 Playoff game experience on Spurs roster. 1,183 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in field goals made. 1,203 Tim Duncan, Spurs Career playoff leader in free throws attempted. 1,682 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in rebounds. 2,325 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in field goals attempted. 3,209 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in points. ALL TIM DUNCAN....ARE U FORGETTING TIM DUNCAN WON TWO TITLE WITHOUT TONY INFLUENCE THE TEAM AT ALL. DUNCAN IS A BIGGER UPGRADE THAN BOSH AND AMARE ON ANY TEAM. KOBE IN 99 WAS NOTHING (IVERSON,VINCE,allen HOUSTON ALL ABOVE KOBE) TODAY HIS MATURITY HAS MADE HIS THE BEST. BUT THAT MATURITY HAS NOT PRODUCE A TITLE. DUNCAN ON THE OTHER HAND HAS WON 4 TITLES ALONG WITH SHAQ IN THAT TITLE PERIOD. HIS NUMBERS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. I'm not questioning his past, I'm questioning his present.
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Post by sniper on Apr 15, 2009 17:49:47 GMT -5
PG: 1. Chris Paul 2. Deron Williams 3. Tony Parker 4. Steve Nash 5. Derrick Rose
SG: 1. Kobe Bryant 2. Dwayne Wade 3. Brandon Roy 4. Joe Johnson 5. Kevin Durant
SF: 1. Lebron James 2. Carmelo Anthony 3. Danny Granger 4. Paul Pierce 5. Caron Butler
PF: 1. Tim Duncan 2. Kevin Garnett 3. Amare Stoudemire 4. Dirk Nowitzki 5. Chris Bosh
C: 1. Dwight Howard 2. Yao Ming 3. Shaquille O'Neal 4. Al Jefferson 5. Marcus Camby
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 15, 2009 19:52:50 GMT -5
ALL TIM DUNCAN....ARE U FORGETTING TIM DUNCAN WON TWO TITLE WITHOUT TONY INFLUENCE THE TEAM AT ALL. DUNCAN IS A BIGGER UPGRADE THAN BOSH AND AMARE ON ANY TEAM. KOBE IN 99 WAS NOTHING (IVERSON,VINCE,allen HOUSTON ALL ABOVE KOBE) TODAY HIS MATURITY HAS MADE HIS THE BEST. BUT THAT MATURITY HAS NOT PRODUCE A TITLE. DUNCAN ON THE OTHER HAND HAS WON 4 TITLES ALONG WITH SHAQ IN THAT TITLE PERIOD. HIS NUMBERS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. actually ONE title, 1999, Parker joined NBA in 2002. and where is IVERSON, CARTER, HOUSTON today, hmm retirement home, and injured. but I DEFINITELY agree with you on Duncan, I actually want Duncan's rating to be UPGRADED, w/o Duncan the Spurs would be lucky to survive. He is their most imporant player other then Manu Ginobli, HELL Parker only started reaching his prime and playing at his MAX from what 2005 I think. so where was Parker the first 3 seasons in NBA, in 03 he was behind Steve Smith and Antonio Daniels at PG. and most of the time Parker just uses his speed and shoot floaters. It's funny that he has the 2 OF THE WORST DEFENSIVE bigs in NBA as the top 2 PF in league. Amare Stupidmire isn't even in my top 5 PF that I want on my team list, I'll take Boozer and West before I take him (only reason I put him in top 5 for stats is because I want what's best for league not me.) As for Bosh he was projected to be MVP candidate this year and make huge strides after making back-to-back playoffs in 07 and 08 and we know what happenned there. Bosh is a solid player but he is more of a complement then a superstar. he would be Robin=Bosh to Batman=Wade that role fits him better. and don't get me started on Gasol 0-12 in playoffs with a team of Jason Williams, Bonzi Wells, Stromile Swift, James Posey, Eddie Jones, Bobby Jackson, Mike Miller, Lorenzen Wright. (from 04-06) and you blast Dirk, CHA, but HE STILL WENT TO THE FINALS and the other 3 have not.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 20:17:46 GMT -5
You can say whatever you want, watch the games Duncan offense is GONE.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Apr 15, 2009 20:20:15 GMT -5
we can say yao ming is garbage after watchiing him for 6 years now...tim duncan right now>>>>>>>>>>>>yao ming.Btw duncan is playing through an injury.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 15, 2009 20:20:49 GMT -5
You can say whatever you want, watch the games Duncan offense is GONE. his offense might be gone but he makes that up with his fundamentals. and besides he is a traditional low post player not a hybrid like KG, D. West, Dirk, Gasol, Bosh, Stupidmire.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 20:31:19 GMT -5
Exactly, a big man version of Shane Battier..you said it yourself.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Apr 15, 2009 20:49:15 GMT -5
Exactly, a big man version of Shane Battier..you said it yourself. so ur telling me that the greatest pf of all time is a bigger version of WHO? U gotta be kidding me shane battier is shit, u can argue any way u want but saying that tim duncan is a bigger shane battier has made u lost all ur credibility.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Apr 15, 2009 20:56:25 GMT -5
You can say whatever you want, watch the games Duncan offense is GONE. So he has no offense and yet he averages 19.3ppg (and he did that through spurts of Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker both being injured.)
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 21:37:37 GMT -5
He is nowhere near the greatest big ever, he might be a top 10 PF (in his prime) but he ain't shit now. As for Chicago, that'd be interesting to see his #'s without Parker...I mean every time I watch the Spurs he just sits at the high post and shoots jumpers...I mean who can't do that if you are open?
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Apr 15, 2009 21:53:08 GMT -5
He is nowhere near the greatest big ever, he might be a top 10 PF (in his prime) but he ain't shit now. As for Chicago, that'd be interesting to see his #'s without Parker...I mean every time I watch the Spurs he just sits at the high post and shoots jumpers...I mean who can't do that if you are open? I guess you missed the part in my last post where I pointed out that he did do that while Paker (and Ginobili) was injured this season.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 15, 2009 22:11:23 GMT -5
Duncan IS NOT A JUMP SHOOTER like I said he is not the new bred hybrid PF, Parker does nothing he is a good player but relies on one move which is drive to the basket and hook a floater and THAT'S IT.
Duncan can make a hook shot, bank of the glass, fake and then lay it up, and he can shoot jumpers at TIMES, but if he is such a great jump shooter why don't we see Duncan take every jump shot instead of staying the paint all the time.
and also Duncan HAS won with a below avg. PG remember in 03 when Parker was STILL A NEWBIE and SITTING ON THE BENCH he had Steve Smith and Antonio Daniels as his PG's.
and in 1999 he won with a good but not a great PG in Avery Johnson he was a fiery leader, he has the KG passion but more of Gary Paytonesque type game.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Apr 15, 2009 23:24:10 GMT -5
I'm sticking by my statement, playoffs are coming up we'll see what TD has without Manu.
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