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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 23, 2009 1:27:01 GMT -5
Who do u guys think is better? IMO i think kobe is still the best in the game.
Shooting-kobe defense-kobe iq-kobe
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Post by Utah Jazz on Feb 23, 2009 1:33:21 GMT -5
Shooting: Kobe Defense: LeBron (because of athleticism) IQ: Kobe
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 23, 2009 11:23:35 GMT -5
I think Lebron is better in every single way than Kobe, other than Kobe is a little better shooter....though if you saw Lebron the other night he was on FIRE!
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Post by seanaes - PHX on Feb 23, 2009 15:47:22 GMT -5
Shooting: Kobe. Defense: Lebron. IQ: Kobe.
However, I say Lebron > Kobe
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 24, 2009 0:08:47 GMT -5
lol how the hell can u guys saw lebeon is a better defender when kobe is know for his defense and plays lock down defense every night.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Feb 24, 2009 0:15:37 GMT -5
Like I stated, athleticism. Granted, if one on one, I'd give Kobe the edge, in a team game, LeBron is better than Kobe on D.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 24, 2009 0:47:53 GMT -5
lol how the hell can u guys saw lebeon is a better defender when kobe is know for his defense and plays lock down defense every night. Kobe isn't that great of a defender, watch Lebron guard someone like Paul Pierce...he can't even dribble. Plus Lebron is an AWESOME (Ben Wallace in his prime like) off side shot blocker.
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Post by hardballer1 - NYK on Feb 24, 2009 19:15:19 GMT -5
Shooting<Kobe Defense<depends on what kind, LeBron relies on athleticism and anticipation, Kobe plays move your feet, hand i your face D. IQ<Kobe
lebrons a game changer*, kobes a game winner*
*for the most part. they both are insane at both
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 24, 2009 19:28:19 GMT -5
And they both have the same # of rings as the #1, since Little Brother couldn't do it without Big Brother Shaq....so explain to me how Kobe is a winner?
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Post by hardballer1 - NYK on Feb 25, 2009 6:46:30 GMT -5
who would u rather have the ball with 7 seconds left, down one? Kobe. lebron doesnt have that skill yet.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 25, 2009 9:46:33 GMT -5
who would u rather have the ball with 7 seconds left, down one? Kobe. lebron doesnt have that skill yet. You obviously don't watch, Lebron will just run in there (prime example the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals vs. Your Beloved Pistons) and just go "throw it down with no regard for human life!" What is Kobe gonna do? Shoot a jump shot and it may or may not go in? Lebron was single handily winning the East the last 2 years with the exception of Boston last year. Now he has Mo, Andy has stepped up, and they have enough around him to compete. The Lakers are LOADED with Farmar, Sasha, Fisher, Odom, Bynum, and the most underrated player in the game Paul Gasol. If Kobe can't get it done without Shaq how is he a winner, and don't tell me those were Kobe's rings because Big Dunkin Jumpin Shaq owned everyone.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Feb 25, 2009 15:26:30 GMT -5
who would u rather have the ball with 7 seconds left, down one? Kobe. lebron doesnt have that skill yet. You obviously don't watch, Lebron will just run in there (prime example the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals vs. Your Beloved Pistons) and just go "throw it down with no regard for human life!" What is Kobe gonna do? Shoot a jump shot and it may or may not go in? Lebron was single handily winning the East the last 2 years with the exception of Boston last year. Now he has Mo, Andy has stepped up, and they have enough around him to compete. The Lakers are LOADED with Farmar, Sasha, Fisher, Odom, Bynum, and the most underrated player in the game Paul Gasol. If Kobe can't get it done without Shaq how is he a winner, and don't tell me those were Kobe's rings because Big Dunkin Jumpin Shaq owned everyone. and how many of Shaq's rings are without Kobe and D-Wade and a finals appearance with Penny, and for such a GREAT player Shaq is he shouldn't go 6 out of 16 in getting SWEPT in the playoffs, I don't think MJ got swept in playoffs more then 2 times in his career, Shaq got swept nearly 40 percent of the time. and don't give me this BS that Lebron SINGLE-HANDEDLY took the Cavs to the finals, it's because the Pistons sucked w/o Big Ben and Daniel Gibson decided to become Peja Stojkovic in that series. and before Kobe got his GREAT TEAMMATES , he had Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and Brian Cook IN THE starting LINEUP while Lebron still had Big Z, Gooden, Hughes, Pavlovic, Varajao and Gibson on his team before the Gasol trade happenned. and BTW even though Kobe did blow a 20 point lead and his team lost by 40 to the Celtics atleast his team did not get WIPED OUT of the finals like Lebrick did againist the Spurs, the Spurs destroyed the Cavs in that series and you know what was the result it was 4-0 sweeping of the Cavs. and you bring another BS crap with Lebron dunking with no regards for Human Life while Kobe jacking jumpers in clutch, there's a way to stop Lebron from doing that you know who, just hack at him and foul him hard and make him go to the FT line where he used to brick badly BEFORE this year (where he is shooting about 77 percent.) and when Kobe jacks those jumpers it usually goes in. when Lebron wins a ring like Kobe and Wade then you can make that Lebron is the best player arguement. and what happenned in the 2 head to head meetings a combined 13.5 point BEATDOWN from the Lakers and they did one WITHOUT their starting Center while the Cavs had theirs HEALTHY. THAT IS ALL, and I shall leave the rest of the discussion when the PLAYOFFS STARTS.
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Post by supremegm - MIA on Feb 25, 2009 15:35:08 GMT -5
shooting: Kobe defense: Kobe IQ: Kobe
but, Lebron definately has some categories of his own... such as passing, rebounding, shot blocking, ect
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 25, 2009 15:43:25 GMT -5
You obviously don't watch, Lebron will just run in there (prime example the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals vs. Your Beloved Pistons) and just go "throw it down with no regard for human life!" What is Kobe gonna do? Shoot a jump shot and it may or may not go in? Lebron was single handily winning the East the last 2 years with the exception of Boston last year. Now he has Mo, Andy has stepped up, and they have enough around him to compete. The Lakers are LOADED with Farmar, Sasha, Fisher, Odom, Bynum, and the most underrated player in the game Paul Gasol. If Kobe can't get it done without Shaq how is he a winner, and don't tell me those were Kobe's rings because Big Dunkin Jumpin Shaq owned everyone. and how many of Shaq's rings are without Kobe and D-Wade and a finals appearance with Penny, and for such a GREAT player Shaq is he shouldn't go 6 out of 16 in getting SWEPT in the playoffs, I don't think MJ got swept in playoffs more then 2 times in his career, Shaq got swept nearly 40 percent of the time. and don't give me this BS that Lebron SINGLE-HANDEDLY took the Cavs to the finals, it's because the Pistons sucked w/o Big Ben and Daniel Gibson decided to become Peja Stojkovic in that series. and before Kobe got his GREAT TEAMMATES , he had Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and Brian Cook IN THE starting LINEUP while Lebron still had Big Z, Gooden, Hughes, Pavlovic, Varajao and Gibson on his team before the Gasol trade happenned. and BTW even though Kobe did blow a 20 point lead and his team lost by 40 to the Celtics atleast his team did not get WIPED OUT of the finals like Lebrick did againist the Spurs, the Spurs destroyed the Cavs in that series and you know what was the result it was 4-0 sweeping of the Cavs. and you bring another BS crap with Lebron dunking with no regards for Human Life while Kobe jacking jumpers in clutch, there's a way to stop Lebron from doing that you know who, just hack at him and foul him hard and make him go to the FT line where he used to brick badly BEFORE this year (where he is shooting about 77 percent.) and when Kobe jacks those jumpers it usually goes in. when Lebron wins a ring like Kobe and Wade then you can make that Lebron is the best player arguement. and what happenned in the 2 head to head meetings a combined 13.5 point BEATDOWN from the Lakers and they did one WITHOUT their starting Center while the Cavs had theirs HEALTHY. THAT IS ALL, and I shall leave the rest of the discussion when the PLAYOFFS STARTS. And Dwade wasn't shit before Shaq, Penny wasn't shit after Shaq, in fact other than last year NONE of the 3 of them won a playoff series without Shaq. Also take into account Kobe, Dwade, and Penny aren't the same person...I mean Gasol is on at least Penny's level. Then factor in Odom (I know you hate him but at times he is good), Sasha, Farmar, Turiaf (so underrated), Fisher (overrated but huge in the clutch), and the rest of them and Kobe should have won the title last year hands down. I didn't think there was ANYWAY Boston was going to win and they did. People seem to say Gasol got owned, but I remember Kobe being too chicken shit to guard Pierce (he was guarding Rondo) and Pierce did a good job on Kobe. I know Odom went to shit in the finals, but still is Kobe is soooooo great Boston shouldn't have won. Also what people forget is LEBRON WAS A SHOT AWAY FROM BEING IN THE FINALS! Cavs took Boston to 7, and really dominated that series. I'm not disagreeing that the East wasn't weak back then, and Boobie did hit a ton of 3's..but he was getting open looks because they were focusing so much on Lebron. A lot of players in the NBA can hit an open 3, period. When CLE got swept by the Spurs in the finals they didn't even have West yet. Their 2nd player was Boobie, then probably Drew Gooden. I'm very low on Z, he's not that good. What has happened to the Cavs since this is as followed. #1: Lebron has gotten better (he was so young, it was to be expected.) #2: Good GMing by Ferry to get Mo Williams, West (who is a very good and underrated player), Wally (he isn't what he was, but he plays his role nice.) All he really gave up was Gooden, who is nothing more than a good garbage man. I like Drew Gooden, but he isn't what I thought he was going to be. Hughes NEVER worked out and the rest of that was garbage. #3: That in turn made them deep at the guard spots with West, Mo, Wally, Sasha, and Boobie all able to come in and give you something. #4: The most underrated reason why is Varejao, he's really stepped his game up big time. I think he stepped into Gooden's role and is just as good as Gooden. I think him and Joe Smith were the best posts they had last year (Smith being the better of the 2), and I really wish they would get Smith back to complete there team. Big Ben sucks really bad, and Z is okay I guess. We'll see what happens, I think with the T-mac injury a Cavs/Lakers finals is what I'm picking. I think LA is better without Bynum honestly (I've said it before and I'll say it again) because Odom is a miss match night mare. I don't know how they would look with Odom at the 3, but I really don't think Bynum is that good and will NOT help them against Cleveland. All he's gonna do is take post touches way from Gasol, and that favors the opponent. I'm not dissing Kobe, he's a great player but Lebron is special and is going to change the NBA. Best 3 players in the NBA right now are Lebron (by a lot), then Wade, then Kobe...just my opinion.
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Post by hardballer1 - NYK on Feb 25, 2009 15:44:08 GMT -5
wow...i didnt know my comments would be sooo imflamitory right now i like kobe better BUT i will say in 2-3 years, LEBRON will be the best bar none. hes just gonna be to good its not even gonnna be funny. and i do watch. Lebron is insane. kobes a cold blooded scorer and a great defender. lebron does evrything else and makes the big plays. but kobe still is way more clutch than LJ.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Feb 25, 2009 16:31:38 GMT -5
And Dwade wasn't shit before Shaq, Penny wasn't shit after Shaq, in fact other than last year NONE of the 3 of them won a playoff series without Shaq. Also take into account Kobe, Dwade, and Penny aren't the same person...I mean Gasol is on at least Penny's level. Then factor in Odom (I know you hate him but at times he is good), Sasha, Farmar, Turiaf (so underrated), Fisher (overrated but huge in the clutch), and the rest of them and Kobe should have won the title last year hands down. I didn't think there was ANYWAY Boston was going to win and they did. People seem to say Gasol got owned, but I remember Kobe being too chicken shit to guard Pierce (he was guarding Rondo) and Pierce did a good job on Kobe. I know Odom went to shit in the finals, but still is Kobe is soooooo great Boston shouldn't have won. Also what people forget is LEBRON WAS A SHOT AWAY FROM BEING IN THE FINALS! Cavs took Boston to 7, and really dominated that series. if you mean shooting 19 percent in and the team carrying Lebron through the first 4 games your damm right he was dominating, in the brick machine. and also he may have scored 44 but he also let Pierce drop 43 and OWN him on the MOST important play which was the JUMP BALL with Pierce getting the ball instead of Lebron. like I said the Kobe and Lebron debate is really gonna heat up in the PLAYOFFS. and as for Gasol, 0-12 before he joined the Lakers that's all I have to say, and I'll say it again about Odom, when he has his head straight and the day he has MICHEAL JORDAN GENE'S IN TERMS OF AGGRESSIVENESS is the day he will be the dominant force everyone expects him to be. and you said Wade has not done nothing without Shaq, what about go to the second round of the playoffs by beating the Hornets, and notice how only after PENNY came Shaq went to the finals, notice how AFTER Del Harris was fired and Phil decided to start Kobe they went to the finals, and NOTICE how the Heat won the championchip when Shaq was sitting on the bench and Alonzo Mourning was starting. Shaq without his huge size is nothing but another Kwame Brown in the NBA, put him in Chris Bosh's body he would be playing Euro Ball not the NBA. Shaq can't hit a shot outside 2 centimeters for someone allegedly so dominant. and shaq's dominant also showed when Hakeem destroyed him in the 95 NBA Finals. Shaq was always Mr. 1st-3rd quarter but when it was time for the 4th it was always Fisher and Kobe. and also everyone blasts Kobe for being a team cancer, look at Shaq dissed the entire Magics organization, dissed Kobe, dissed Phil Jackson, dissed Pat Riley, D-Wade, whined about not getting enough touches, and NOW even though he is not saying anything in public causing problems with the Suns with him being the focal point of offense and NOT DEFERING it instead of Amare. Obviously Porter wanted to go half-court so if he says to Shaq your the man down low then yeah it's his job to do it, but he knows he is 37 and pretty much done so instead of letting Amare become a dominant player and basically telling Porter NO, he basically decided to going back to ballhog Shaq. Oh yeah and GREAT PLAYERS don't kiss the former team's *** and beg to return to that team, I doubt MJ would beg for the Bulls to take him back or Magic or Bird. Penny Hardway en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Hardaway#Orlando_Magic_.281993-1999.29drafted in 1993-1994 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Magic_seasons (immidiate nba finals appearance) Kobe Bryant full-time starter (1999-2000 season), (1998-1999 was lockout) First three seasons (1996–99) Kobe shooting a free throw During his rookie season, Bryant mostly came off the bench behind guards Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel.[21] At the time he became the youngest player ever to play and start in an NBA game (both records since being broken by teammate Andrew Bynum). Initially, Bryant played limited minutes, but as the season continued, he began to see some more playing time. By the end of the season, he averaged 15.5 minutes a game. He earned himself a reputation as a high-flyer and a fan-favorite by winning the 1997 Slam Dunk Contest.[22] Bryant's performance throughout the year earned him a spot on the NBA All Rookie second team with fellow bench teammate Travis Knight.[23] His final minutes of the season ended in disaster when he shot 2 air balls at crucial times in the game.[24] He missed the first shot to win the game in the 4th quarter and a three pointer to send the game into double overtime. With that the Utah Jazz ended the playoffs for the Lakers in the first round. Shaquille O'Neal commented years later that "[Bryant] was the only guy who had the guts at the time to take shots like that."[25] In Bryant's second season, he received more playing time and began to show more of his abilities as a talented young guard. As a result Bryant's point averages more then doubled from 7.6 to 15.4 points per game.[26] Bryant would see an increase in minutes when the Lakers "played small", which would feature Bryant playing small forward along side the guards he'd usually backup.[27] Bryant was the runner-up for the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year Award,[28] and through fan voting, he also became the youngest NBA All-Star starter in NBA History.[29] He was joined by fellow team mates Shaquille O'Neal, Nick Van Exel, and Eddie Jones, making it the first time since 1983 that four players have been selected to play in the same All-Star Game. The 1998–99 season marked Bryant's emergence as a premiere guard in the league. With starting guards Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones traded Bryant started every game for the lockout-shortened 50 game season. Even at an early stage of his career sportswriters were comparing his skills to that of Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. [30][31][32] The playoff results, however, were no better, as the Lakers were swept by the San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference semi-finals.[33] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers_seasons3 championships LASTLY D-Wade (drafted in 03, starter since 03-04 his rookie season.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Heat_seasonsbeat Hornets in 7, took Pacers to 6 in Rookie season so basically Shaq could not win a title OR go to finals without help being with franchise in first place (Wade), a player that didn't get a chance to start because of Del Harris (Kobe), or go to the Finals after he received help (Penny Hardaway.)
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Post by Toronto Raptors on Feb 26, 2009 17:46:50 GMT -5
lol how the hell can u guys saw lebeon is a better defender when kobe is know for his defense and plays lock down defense every night. were not saying lebeon is better were saying Lebron is better
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Feb 26, 2009 20:36:15 GMT -5
lol at lebeon ^^ !!!
IMO LeBron is better because of what he does for his team....Kobe is on a team with another All Star (Gasol) and other good guys, while Lebron is the only star on the team, and he got to the finals all by himself while Kobe cant win shit without Shaq Attack... maybe Kobe is better because of his experience, but if I had to start a team from nothing I would choose LeBron...
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Post by theanswer - IND on Feb 26, 2009 22:29:11 GMT -5
LeBron Is better then Kobe in my opnion but i think they are different players so you cant really compare them both.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Feb 26, 2009 23:29:43 GMT -5
I'm not reading all that shit, because you didn't make any sense. My main points are still Lebron >>>>> Kobe, and Kobe can't do it without Shaq. He has f**king Gasol, how much more help could he want? Factor in all that depth and he ought be able to win a title. NO ONE can win a title on there own, it's been proven time and time again.
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