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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 2:59:51 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 18, 2008 2:59:51 GMT -5
Indiana Trades- Mark Blount (68) 7,350,000 7,962,500 Dwyane Wade (93) 14,140,581 15,779912 17,149,243
Indiana Receives- Kevin Durant (80) 4,176,400 4,467,700 5,633,770 Marco Belinelli (71) 1,726,400 1,846,800 2,450,704 DJ Strawberry(64) 600,000 700,000
Incoming Salary- $21,490,581 Outgoing Salary- $6,502,800
Boston Receives- Mark Blount (68) 7,350,000 7,962,500 Dwyane Wade (93) 14,140,581 15,779912 17,149,243
Boston Trades- Kevin Durant (80) 4,176,400 4,467,700 5,633,770 Marco Belinelli (71) 1,726,400 1,846,800 2,450,704 DJ Strawberry(64) 600,000 700,000
I accept.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 11:12:06 GMT -5
Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 18, 2008 11:12:06 GMT -5
Waiting on Indy to officially accept this, but if I may say, I doubt this gets approved. Its essentially one of the top 5 players in the game, who I might add is still somewhat young, for a boosted Durant and cap space.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 11:48:11 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 18, 2008 11:48:11 GMT -5
I don't understand why Durant is only rated a 78 to begin with. You are telling me he is only as good as Shane Battier. Besdies that Durant is about 6 years younger than Wade and 10+ mil cheaper, and Indy sheds a bad contract in Mark Blount. I don't really see this as rejectable, but whatever.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 12:03:43 GMT -5
Post by supremegm - MIA on Aug 18, 2008 12:03:43 GMT -5
The funny thing is, this trade would leave Boston with only about 12 mil in cap space, which I dont feel is enough to resign Calderon, and would leave Indiana with only about 7.5 mil in cap space, which definately isn't enough to resign Harris
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 12:09:52 GMT -5
Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 18, 2008 12:09:52 GMT -5
Is that right Miami? I was confused about Indiana's crappy salary chart...did Foster have a team option this year or does he have a player option?
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 12:14:57 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 18, 2008 12:14:57 GMT -5
The funny thing is, this trade would leave Boston with only about 12 mil in cap space, which I dont feel is enough to resign Calderon, and would leave Indiana with only about 7.5 mil in cap space, which definately isn't enough to resign Harris You are insane if you think it would cost 12 mil in the 1st season to re-sign Calderon. Contracts only increase as the years go along, so you think in the later years of the deal that Calderon is worth 15-16 mil a season. He averaged 11 points and 8 assists in real life. In 3 seasons his career averages are 9 and 6. Those numbers don't warrant the kind of money you are implying at all. As far as Indiana goes he saves 15 mil in this deal. So if he can't afford to re-sign Harris now, you think he was going to do it before he saved 15 mil. Something tells me he is closer to being able to re-sign Harris after this deal then he was before it.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 12:44:10 GMT -5
Post by supremegm - MIA on Aug 18, 2008 12:44:10 GMT -5
The funny thing is, this trade would leave Boston with only about 12 mil in cap space, which I dont feel is enough to resign Calderon, and would leave Indiana with only about 7.5 mil in cap space, which definately isn't enough to resign Harris You are insane if you think it would cost 12 mil in the 1st season to re-sign Calderon. Contracts only increase as the years go along, so you think in the later years of the deal that Calderon is worth 15-16 mil a season. He averaged 11 points and 8 assists in real life. In 3 seasons his career averages are 9 and 6. Those numbers don't warrant the kind of money you are implying at all. As far as Indiana goes he saves 15 mil in this deal. So if he can't afford to re-sign Harris now, you think he was going to do it before he saved 15 mil. Something tells me he is closer to being able to re-sign Harris after this deal then he was before it. Well I don't know about you, but I have 14.5 mil in cap space and the only thing I want is a PG, so you better hope he resigns with you and doesn't go into regular free agency
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 20:32:43 GMT -5
Post by theanswer - IND on Aug 18, 2008 20:32:43 GMT -5
i agree i need to lose cap asap and i like this deal for me i get kevin durant who i love and who is one of my fav players and i also get the up and coming bellnelli and dj who i think is ganna be really good and has good potential so i agree
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 22:37:28 GMT -5
Post by Utah Jazz on Aug 18, 2008 22:37:28 GMT -5
I'm rejecting. Durant is nowhere on the level that Wade is, especially now that Wade is healthy. Belinelli is an OK prospect, but nothing big, and I don't think Strawberry will be anything good.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 22:48:37 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 18, 2008 22:48:37 GMT -5
I'm rejecting. Durant is nowhere on the level that Wade is, especially now that Wade is healthy. Belinelli is an OK prospect, but nothing big, and I don't think Strawberry will be anything good. Look at Wades and Durants rookie seasons, one could argue that Durant had the better rookie season. Durant has a very bright future, also no mention of the 15 mil in cap that he saves that gives him a very legit chance to re-sign Harris. If he sheds one more contract he will have the cap to re-sign Harris. By rejecting this trade you basically are putting Devin Harris on the FA market. This trade gives Indiana a lot of good things. I think people are to quick to reject trades, as Cleveland once said, the TC should be there as a safety net to prevent GM's from ruining their teams, your not on the TC to run our teams for us. Getting Durant and a couple of good young prospects, plus a ton of cap that can bring back your starting pg isn't going to ruin your team. I don't really see how this trade is rejectable at all.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 23:17:46 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 18, 2008 23:17:46 GMT -5
One last point I would like people to consier when voting. Look at Indianas team, it is full of bad contracts, he is already over the cap for this season. He needs to start over, and his main focus this year should be cutting payroll. How is he going to build a team around Wade, he has 0 cap space and no other real tradeable pieces on his team that will bring him back anything real worthwhile. This trade gives him a young star to build his team around , and gives him a great start in an effort to cut payroll, as he drops his payroll by $15,000,000.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 23:28:55 GMT -5
Post by Utah Jazz on Aug 18, 2008 23:28:55 GMT -5
I'm rejecting. Durant is nowhere on the level that Wade is, especially now that Wade is healthy. Belinelli is an OK prospect, but nothing big, and I don't think Strawberry will be anything good. Look at Wades and Durants rookie seasons, one could argue that Durant had the better rookie season. Durant has a very bright future, also no mention of the 15 mil in cap that he saves that gives him a very legit chance to re-sign Harris. If he sheds one more contract he will have the cap to re-sign Harris. By rejecting this trade you basically are putting Devin Harris on the FA market. This trade gives Indiana a lot of good things. I think people are to quick to reject trades, as Cleveland once said, the TC should be there as a safety net to prevent GM's from ruining their teams, your not on the TC to run our teams for us. Getting Durant and a couple of good young prospects, plus a ton of cap that can bring back your starting pg isn't going to ruin your team. I don't really see how this trade is rejectable at all. I can see how you think that Durant had a better rookie season than Wade, but it's not fair to compare that, since Wade had better players on his team taking shots away from him. That being said, unless Indy pulls off another big salary clearing move, which I don't think he can do, I doubt Harris is returning to Indy, with Durant being the only player worth mentioning for Harris to care about.
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IND/BOS
Aug 18, 2008 23:50:09 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 18, 2008 23:50:09 GMT -5
He has a little over 7 mil in cap with this trade, so for example if he was to trade Foster for a pick, he would have the cap to re-sign Harris. It would not take a big salary move to get Harris re-signed, this trade is his big salary saver. As far as comparing Wade and Durants rookie seasons, the fact that Wade had better players also made it easier for him to get his so to say. I guess it depends on how you look at it.
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IND/BOS
Aug 19, 2008 0:20:01 GMT -5
Post by theanswer - IND on Aug 19, 2008 0:20:01 GMT -5
i am in rebuilding stage right now i still have my ind 1st for 09 so i think that will be top 10 and i want youth so please rethink this and just see why i am doing this trade have to do it if i dont my team will be stuffed for the 09 season so please rethink this trade.
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IND/BOS
Aug 19, 2008 14:38:46 GMT -5
Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 19, 2008 14:38:46 GMT -5
Joe Johnson has to be in this trade replacing Durant IMO for this to even be remotely fair. The cap space Indy is getting does not make up for how unbalanced this trade is player personal wise.
Kevin Durant only scored 20 PPG because he jacked up 17 shots per game. He shot 43% form the field and 29% from 3. That pretty much designates him as a chucker. Kevin meet Jamal Crawford.
I will retire from this league before I allow a top 5 player in the game to be traded for a 2nd year player with "star potential" and cap space.
I officially reject.
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IND/BOS
Aug 19, 2008 14:47:47 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 19, 2008 14:47:47 GMT -5
All I can say is wow. You have designated a guy a chucker after one season, way to not jump the gun on that one. Sorry Indy, and see ya later Devin Harris. No point in anyone esle voting on this if this is the logic people use, I will just delete the trade.
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IND/BOS
Aug 19, 2008 14:50:34 GMT -5
Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Aug 19, 2008 14:50:34 GMT -5
Dont delete the trade.
He is nothing more than a jump shooter. If you cant see that after his rookie season, im sorry. He doesn't have the body or skill level to take it to the hole on a consistent basis whereas all the other star players can and did after their 1st seasons.
Jump shooters that shoot low percentage usually get designated as chuckers
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IND/BOS
Aug 19, 2008 16:26:56 GMT -5
Post by supremegm - MIA on Aug 19, 2008 16:26:56 GMT -5
I hate when people bitch about trades not being rejected because they know they are ripping someone off
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IND/BOS
Aug 19, 2008 18:06:49 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 19, 2008 18:06:49 GMT -5
Dont delete the trade. He is nothing more than a jump shooter. If you cant see that after his rookie season, im sorry. He doesn't have the body or skill level to take it to the hole on a consistent basis whereas all the other star players can and did after their 1st seasons. Jump shooters that shoot low percentage usually get designated as chuckers Durant is 19 to 20 years old, you don't think he will improve. Did you watch Amare Stoudemire shoot a jumpshot when he came into the league. It was ugly, beyond ugly really, he shot line-drives that sometimes would just smash off the backboard. Now Amare has one of the purest jumpshots in the leaue for a bigman. If you want to reject the trade fine, but don't act like Durant isn't a great player, that is just foolish. He is still a kid that played last year on a terrible team. As he gets older his body will fill out and his game will dramtiacly improve.
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IND/BOS
Aug 19, 2008 18:08:46 GMT -5
Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 19, 2008 18:08:46 GMT -5
I hate when people bitch about trades not being rejected because they know they are ripping someone off First off, we had heard you the first time in the CLE/CHA trade, so thanks again. Secondly Indy offered me the deal, so I took it. Thirdly this deal is fair and if you and the TC can't see that then sorry.
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