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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 26, 2008 0:53:25 GMT -5
Eastern Conference:
Note: All retired players for at least 1 year will have a rating of 65 or lower. The more years retired, the lower the rating will be. These players will be denoted in red.
Atlantic Division:
Boston Celtics: Ronny Turiaf 67-69 Jason Williams 73-70 Jose Calderon 74-79 Joe Smith 67-69 Eddie House 65-68
New York Knicks: Al Thornton 72-74 Keith Bogans 68-70 Andrew Bynum 75-78 Jordan Farmar 67-70 Bobby Simmons 73-71 Aaron Gray 56-65
New Jersey Nets: David West 80-85 Josh Howard 90-87 Rafer Alston 72-74 Rashad McCants 69-71 Clifford Robinson 70-65 Lamond Murray 70-65
Philadelphia 76'ers: Ricky Davis 81-77 Cuttino Mobley 77-74 Linas Kleiza 70-73 Kyle Korver 70-73 Nazr Mohammed 66-70 Juan Carlos Navarro 68-70 Antonio Davis 68-65
Toronto Raptors: Larry Hughes 81-79 Kirk Hinrich 82-80 Jamal Crawford 76-77 Gerald Green 72-69 Andrea Bargnani 77-74 Carlos Delfino 66-68 Jason Kapono 69-71 Channing Frye 79-75
Central Division:
Chicago Bulls: Lindsey Hunter 72-69 Willie Green 70-73 Devin Brown 75-73 Kyle Lowry 68-72 Daequan Cook 64-67
Cleveland Cavaliers: Eddy Curry 82-80 Beno Udrih 69-74 Antoine Walker 72-70
Detroit Pistons: Rasheed Wallace 87-84 Tyrus Thomas 76-74 Rodney Stuckey 69-72 Amir Johnson 60-65 Jason Maxiell 70-73
Indiana Pacers: Mike Dunleavy 75-79 Nate Robinson 71-73 Devin Harris 79-81 Kendrick Perkins 70-73 Jeff Foster 65-68 Ramon Sessions 61-66
Milwaukee Bucks: Ron Artest 88-86 John Salmons 69-72 Doug Christie 68-65 Marcus Haislip 69-66 Tony Delk 69-65
Southeast Division:
Atlanta Hawks: Raef LaFrentz 72-68 Joey Graham 72-69 Fransisco Garcia 66-70 Ronnie Brewer 69-72 Andray Blatche 65-70 Louis Williams 66-71 Al Horford 78-81 Carl Landry 63-68
Charlotte Bobcats: Devean George 72-70
Orlando Magic: Al Jefferson 80-86 Kwame Brown 73-70 Shawn Marion 91-89 Tyson Chandler 78-82 DeShawn Stevenson 71-73 Michael Olowokandi 67-65
Miami Heat: Danny Granger 80-83 Chris Kaman 77-81 Rodney Buford 67-65 Alan Houston 68-65 Josh Boone 58-66 Chris Quinn 59-65 Carlos Boozer 86-88
Washington Wizards: Nick Collison 73-75 Stephen Jackson 77-81
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 26, 2008 0:55:06 GMT -5
Discus.
I wont ave the net from the 27th-31st, so if there are any problems I will get to them then. If you ahve any queations on why someones rating fell ust ask one of the CM's and if they dont know PM me and I will let you know when I get back.
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Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 26, 2008 1:38:46 GMT -5
Nick Collison's original rating is 71.. not 73 he's only 73 because of the 2 point boost...
so just clarifying in the rating changes does it include the 2 point boost already?
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 26, 2008 1:48:24 GMT -5
Nick Collison's original rating is 71.. not 73 he's only 73 because of the 2 point boost... so just clarifying in the rating changes does it include the 2 point boost already? yea. all ratings are including the boosts given last season, up or down.
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Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 26, 2008 1:57:52 GMT -5
Nick Collison's original rating is 71.. not 73 he's only 73 because of the 2 point boost... so just clarifying in the rating changes does it include the 2 point boost already? yea. all ratings are including the boosts given last season, up or down. ok ;D anyway Brandon Roy is 84 and Stephen jackson is 81... i think jackson deserves a rating closer or the same as broy.. there numbers last season was relatively close to each other, and GSW had davis and ellis scoring as well while portland only had broy and aldridge...
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Post by theanswer - IND on Jul 26, 2008 2:22:13 GMT -5
dunleavy should be 80 at least he also had the same ratings as roy and jackson so i would like you to think about that again and also foye should have got a boost can u review what i said.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 26, 2008 2:27:27 GMT -5
Dunleavy isnt an 80 yet. I consider 90+ to be a franchise player, 85+ to be an all-star, 80+ to be star capable and have multiple good years of improvement. If he does what he did last year, then I can ee him as an 80.
Foye played 39 games last season and didnt put up spectacular stats.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 26, 2008 2:29:24 GMT -5
Also, if enough CM's think any of the plaers brought up should be changed, then I will consider it. My word is not final.
Stephen Jackson is not as good as Roy in my eyes. But again thats debatable.
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Post by theanswer - IND on Jul 26, 2008 2:36:00 GMT -5
79-dunleavy stats 19.1ppg 5.2rpg and 3.5apg last season
81-jackson stats 20.1ppg 4.40rpg and 4.1apg last season
84- Roy stats 19.1ppg 4.70rpg and 5.8apg last season
now i think we need to review this they all averge around the same career points i think you need to review it dunleavy should be rated 80.
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Post by yifor3 - NYK on Jul 26, 2008 2:49:16 GMT -5
Bynum (75-78): 13 pts, 10 rebs, 2 blks, 64%FG Horford (78-81 {edit}): 10 pts, 10 rebs, 1 blk, 50%FG (per game avg)
Last 6 games before Bynum was injured: (17 pts, 16 rebs, 4 assts, 3 blks), (23pts, 14 rebs, 4 blks), (12pts, 9 rebs), (17pts, 9rebs, 4assts, 3blks), (25pts, 17rebs, 3blks), (10pts, 9rebs, 3 assts in 20 min.)
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Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 26, 2008 2:53:43 GMT -5
horford is just an 81... plus his ave. is for the whole season and bynum's is like half of the season
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Jul 26, 2008 7:40:08 GMT -5
Yea stats aren't going to be EVERYTHING here guys. Even though Bynum is still mega young (and I like him a lot) - what Horford did in his ROOKIE season is more impressive than what Bynum did in his, what, 3rd season? 4th? I don't remember. Plus Bynum has been shooting up in ratings really. He was a 60 something like a year ago. If he does it again, and doesn't get injured, he'll most likely move even to above Horford (assuming his stats are as good or better than Horford again).
Same with that Dunleavy argument. This was dunleavy's first year that was really good. Based on those stats - yea they should be equal...BUT Roy is in his 2nd season and was great last year as well. Jackson has been about that good for most of his career (especially recently). Once again that was Dunleavy's first season being that good.
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Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 26, 2008 8:14:28 GMT -5
how about this what do you think? i think if jackson doesn't deserve an 84 like broy he deserves an 83
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 26, 2008 9:19:42 GMT -5
I have 3 main issues
1.I truly believe Stuckey deserves to be a 75, this guy plays like a vetran already and will probally be starting for this pistons this year o next. i know he had a hand injury in the beginning of the year, but yet he still put up great numbers as a BACKUP PG, If this guy were starting he would be putting up at least 17 and 5 a game, he got us to the ECF last year, if not for him ORlando probally would of beat us. Rajon Rondo got boosted up to a 75, and if u took a pool of all the gms, who they would rather have i bet 70-80% would say Stuckey, I mean during the regular season Stuckey almost averaged better stats than Rondo and he was a sixth man plus rondo got 29 mins a game stuckey got 16, If you would please cm's re think this one over
2.Dwight averaged 20 points, 14 rebounds, and 2 blocks a game. Kevin Garnett averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 1 block Dwight is the best C in the game, and imo deserves to be a top 5 rated player, the guy is a man beast, imo he should be as low a 92 and as high as a 95
3.Billups is a 83. I really dont think he should be down that low. I would consider Paul,Williams,Nash,Davis, and Arenas better, then Billups right after all those guys are 87 or better. I think he should be an 85
Sheeds rating i understand, he needed to go down
I know Thomas hasnt been the greatest in Chi, but the guy still has a ton of potential, but sea is from chi so if he thinks hes declining i understand, but as a starter he put up way better numbers when the bulls benched him he wasnt as good, i think thats nore of the bulls fault than anything
and maxiell and johnson boost are fair
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Post by yifor3 - NYK on Jul 26, 2008 9:25:01 GMT -5
youtube.com/watch?v=qoRS_gZTvNgIn case those forgot how Bynum started dominating before his injury... - As shown in beginning of this video, Kobe stated with Bynum's play, the LAL were championship-caliber - 1:28 in...that's a 7 foot, 285 lb center making that move from top of the key...'nuff said slamonline.com/online/2007/11/andrew-bynum-is-proving-his-worth/sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=3463823- Even better projected in fantasy: 51st overall to Horford's 57 & Chandler's (NR) 78 rating is vastly undervalued. The question of who's better, Bynum or Horford?, isn't even a contest. Bynum's over a year younger than Horford, played in the better conference, and was becoming one of the more dominating players in the league (avg. 17.3pts, 12.2 rebs, 2.7 assts, 2.3blks in month of January before his injury) and put up quality numbers against elite teams (i.e. avg. 21pts, 12.5rebs, 3.5 assts, 1.5 blks vs. PHO (Amare) this year and 12.5pts, 11rebs, 2.5assts, 2.5blks vs NO (Tyson, who got ratings boost to 84 on avg. 12pts (courtesy of Paul's alley-oops), 12rebs, 1blk this season)). ................................. Thornton (72-74) - last 3 months when getting 32-37 min/game, avg. 16pts, 6rebs, 2assts on 43%FG, 32%3pt - Durant during same stretch: 34-40min/game, avg. 21.4pts, 5rebs, 3assts on 47%FG, 32.5%3pt - Dunleavy started giving 6'8'' 220lb Al more minutes down the stretch and he produced similar to 6'9'' 215lb Durant (who has a slightly higher FG% but also took 33 more total FGs in 5 fewer games in the last 3 months than Al) - Not saying Thornton's the equal to Durant, but put in perspective, he's not simply a 74 either I know it's a lot of stats, but strong enough points worth sharing for those who follow the game...
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Jul 26, 2008 9:38:15 GMT -5
David West has a fair ratings finally! and BTW Seattle I thought that the 2 point ratings boost would be parmanent for, at least, two seasons? I thought that Howard would be a 90 for this upcoming season at least.... My man Cliffy is getting old wow I never thought that Harris would be a 81! and Turiaf should come to the low 70s IMO... and Marion should stay as a 91 or at least a 90...he might be the best athlete in the league...he has a high ratings because he can do it all and has no fear lol Hinrich should go to a 78-79...he sucked....even Felton did better and he got just a little more pT
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 26, 2008 9:44:26 GMT -5
NJ, the points are still in effect i think, i think he would of been an 85 if it wernt for the ratings bost
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Post by supremegm - MIA on Jul 26, 2008 9:45:11 GMT -5
Tyson Chandler: 11.8 PPG, 11.7 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 1 APG, .6 SPG, 35.2 MPG
Carlos Boozer: 21.1 PPG, 10.4 RPG, .5 BPG, 2,9 APG, 1.2 SPG, 34.9 MPG
I understand that the Hornets had a great season, but I think it is due to David West averaging around 20 ppg rather than Chandler averaging 11 ppg.. the only way Chandler ever scores is on an alley-oop or offensive rebound
Boozer is rated an 86, Chandler is rated an 84
I think there needs to be a much larger difference between these two. Boozer is an allstar and a proven player for 4 seasons now
This is the first year Chandler averaged over 10 ppg... I just don't think someone with no real offense should be rated an 84 while one of the best offensive big men is an 86
Also, I think David West should be higher than an 85 if you are trying to make the Hornets rated extremely high. He is much better than Chandler aswell and should be more than 1 point higher than him
Suggested Ratings:
Tyson Chandler 82 Carlos Boozer 88 David West 86
Also, Rasheed Wallace got 12.7 ppg and 6.6 rpg... not sure how he is worthy of an 84
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Post by yifor3 - NYK on Jul 26, 2008 9:57:09 GMT -5
^ agree with your suggested ratings, MIA. Chandler's points were courtesy of Paul's pick and roll/alley-oops and mainly was just a strong rebounder (12 rebs with only 1blk/game). West was a deserving All-Star
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 26, 2008 10:19:48 GMT -5
I am happy with all of the Cavs rating changes, they are fair. And Detroit, I would rather have Rondo, just for the record.
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