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Post by raps03 - TOR on Jul 9, 2009 14:11:16 GMT -5
i mean we got a starter for stack, george and wright.... and now you have two dead bodies to sit on your bench better than nothing at all
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 9, 2009 14:56:17 GMT -5
marion hasnt been good since he played with a good pg.... step in J.Kidd. Look 5 years 36 mil is not bad at all considering the money that has been thrown out there. I would rather have that than turk or bargs looking at upwards of 50+ mil.
Marion is a good sign n trade for giving up nothing at all. He rebounds well, defends, can still bounce
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 10, 2009 11:21:52 GMT -5
haha Kidd is done too, Mavs will do what they always do. Make the playoffs and lose in the 1st round.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 10, 2009 12:17:33 GMT -5
they didnt lose in the first round this year.... interesting thought though. Kidd is a pass first pg who makes guys around him better. Yeah hes not as quick, cant shoot, getting old- but guys want to play with kidd. Not because he is done, but because he is a pass first, unselfish guy, who gets the job done. Why would guys like Lebron want to play with kidd? people who look at strictly numbers are morons.
Marion can play multiple positions, plays defense, slashes, and does many things that the Mavs need. Im not saying hes the savior or Kobe, Lebron, Wade caliber. I am saying that he will help and that we got him for nothing. He is a significant upgrade over Antoine Wright in the starting lineup.
dont be ignorant kitty.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 10, 2009 13:16:54 GMT -5
they didnt lose in the first round this year.... interesting thought though. Kidd is a pass first pg who makes guys around him better. Yeah hes not as quick, cant shoot, getting old- but guys want to play with kidd. Not because he is done, but because he is a pass first, unselfish guy, who gets the job done. Why would guys like Lebron want to play with kidd? people who look at strictly numbers are morons. Marion can play multiple positions, plays defense, slashes, and does many things that the Mavs need. Im not saying hes the savior or Kobe, Lebron, Wade caliber. I am saying that he will help and that we got him for nothing. He is a significant upgrade over Antoine Wright in the starting lineup. dont be ignorant kitty. #1: As far as I'm concerned, Portland made it to the second round...the 2, 3, 6, 7 bracket of the West was WEAK last year with everyone hurting besides Dallas and Denver. #2: I don't think anyone wants to play with Kidd anymore, maybe if Kidd as a role player....fact is he isn't Jason Kidd anymore. #3: As far as Marion, you gave him a huge contract and the guy hasn't been good in 3 years. You can't play him, Howard, Terry, and Kidd all at the same time...and if you try Kidd/Terry/Howard/Marion/Dirk I'll laugh. I stick by my statement that it won't matter, it will just take mins away from Howard (who is the better of him and Marion at this point, everyone has forgotten about him) and the Mavs will still be the Mavs. Cuban gives them bad karma, they are weak, and Marion or Gortat is not going to change that. I heard Skip and some chick debating today, clearly the 4 best teams in the West are the Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, and Blazers, you can debate the rest but it doesn't matter like I said.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 10, 2009 14:06:36 GMT -5
1) Dallas was hurting. Howard was playing on his glass ankles and Jet had just recovered from having thumb surgery 2) Check this again.... Bron has said publically that he would love to play with J Kidd 3) Huge contract? 5 years 36 mil is huge? whats turk and bargs for 50+ mil each
They will try multiple lineups with both Marion and Howard on the court at the same time....
Mavs are better than the blazers at this point, The spurs are only getting older. The lakers are clearly the best right now. But this move was in the right direction and Marion will do fine with the Mavs as a 15 ppg 8-9 rpg guy. Total upgrade for no price
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 10, 2009 17:18:09 GMT -5
"just coming off" means you are okay, plus Manu out and Duncan hurting is WAY more important than Howard. Jefferson is 5 times the player Marion is at this point, it's obviously Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, then you can start debating.
Portland is a better team than Dallas, Portland has a lot of young players (Oden, Rudy, Bayless) who could at any time become studs. I'm a lot higher on Oden than most people, he played VERY well against Houston last year and Gortat/Dampier can't keep him off the glass. Rudy made SO MANY clutch 3's against Houston, he is set to have a break out year and should start at the 3. The Mavs don't understand Defense, and Brandon Roy is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk. Portland is a pretty tough team too, if they get Kirk Hinrich there is NO WAY Dallas can beat them. Remember Portland still has to make their big move, Dallas just did and I'm not impressed.
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Post by hardballer1 - NYK on Jul 10, 2009 18:28:47 GMT -5
I think the Magic signing Bass is a very good move since they prbly wont get Gortat back, this gives them a more athletic big.
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Post by supremegm - MIA on Jul 11, 2009 9:45:29 GMT -5
marion gives dallas a player to guard people like duncan, gasol, aldridge... dallas made it to the 2nd round last season and is a whole lot better this season
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 11, 2009 10:41:23 GMT -5
marion gives dallas a player to guard people like duncan, gasol, aldridge... dallas made it to the 2nd round last season and is a whole lot better this season The day Marion can guard one of those guys decently, is the day my poop turns purple and taste like rainbow sherbet. They traded for Shaq TO GUARD DUNCAN, since they always played SAS. He's 6'7 and all he could do was run, now he just flat ass blows. I'm sorry but I'd rather have Stackhouse, at least he can shoot.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 11, 2009 11:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 12, 2009 10:28:57 GMT -5
first of all... dirk it better than roy. period. and saying that you would rather have stackhouse is absolutely ignorant. maybe your team will pick him up now that the grizzs released him
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Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Jul 12, 2009 20:28:57 GMT -5
marion hasnt been good since he played with a good pg.... step in J.Kidd. Look 5 years 36 mil is not bad at all considering the money that has been thrown out there. I would rather have that than turk or bargs looking at upwards of 50+ mil. Marion is a good sign n trade for giving up nothing at all. He rebounds well, defends, can still bounce 1) Marion hasn't been good since playing with a good PG? Last season he played with Calderon, Calderon >>> Kidd at this point. 2) Marion is a player who depends on his athletiscm, without it he's pretty useless, the guy isn't getting any younger and 8M for him when he's 34 is too much money. Bargnani showed lots of potential last season and averaged around 19PPG after the all star break. 10M a season for a guy averaging 19/5 is pretty good. 3) The Raptors weren't going to bring Marion back anyways, in this deal we basically fill our backup wing holes for free and get our MLE to spend. All for a guy who wasn't coming back anyways!
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 12, 2009 23:09:40 GMT -5
I agree with every Philly says, and I didn't mean to insult Calderon...I was talking about Nash. Dallas if you think Dirk is better than Roy I'm sorry but you are VERY mistaken.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 13, 2009 7:18:14 GMT -5
1) Calderon averaged 8.9 asts per game and kidd averaged 8.7. 2) Marion is only 31.... how is that old? Dirk is 31, Kobe turns 31 in August, KG is 33, Pierce is 31,Duncan is 33, Ginobili is 31.... Marion can still play 3) Yeah you did get some "quality" back up wings... i appreciate the raptors taking them off the mavs
In what way is Roy better than Dirk? Numbers, NO. Roy hasnt taken the blazers anywhere. MVP? NO..... please explain.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 13, 2009 10:41:45 GMT -5
I agree with every Philly says, and I didn't mean to insult Calderon...I was talking about Nash. Dallas if you think Dirk is better than Roy I'm sorry but you are VERY mistaken. I think 90% would take Dirk over Roy.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 13, 2009 11:32:29 GMT -5
yes, thank you detroit. someone making sense. i want whatever these guys are smoking though
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 13, 2009 14:52:04 GMT -5
Dirk is softer than tissue paper, Roy a lot younger and obviously plays up to his talent...Dirk could be a top 5 player in the game IF HE WOULD HAVE LISTEN TO AVERY!
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 13, 2009 15:57:26 GMT -5
1) Calderon averaged 8.9 asts per game and kidd averaged 8.7. 2) Marion is only 31.... how is that old? Dirk is 31, Kobe turns 31 in August, KG is 33, Pierce is 31,Duncan is 33, Ginobili is 31.... Marion can still play 3) Yeah you did get some "quality" back up wings... i appreciate the raptors taking them off the mavs In what way is Roy better than Dirk? Numbers, NO. Roy hasnt taken the blazers anywhere. MVP? NO..... please explain.Gonna defend my guy here a little. As for numbers, Roy doesn't give a $h** about numbers. He cares about wins and losses, if he has to take all of the shots, he will, if he's double teamed the whole game, and he's just a distraction, he's fine with that. I don't know about not taking the Blazers anywhere, he's 24, and led the Blazers to a 4 seed in the playoffs, with the only reason they lost being that Houston was a terrible matchup. If they had matched up with any other team (except the Lakers), the Blazers most likely would've advanced to the 2nd round. MVP? Well, go back to my first reasoning. Iunno, I'm not arguing one way or the other, but I'm not gonna let you try and bash Roy.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 13, 2009 16:23:50 GMT -5
Dirk is softer than tissue paper, Roy a lot younger and obviously plays up to his talent...Dirk could be a top 5 player in the game IF HE WOULD HAVE LISTEN TO AVERY! Dirk isn't the reason AVERY GOT FIRED, Josh Howard, Dampier, Terry, and Kidd all WANTED AVERY GONE. heck Avery had his issues with Devin Harris, not saying he's a BAD COACH but the PLAYERS were tired of his RA RA military style coaching. just like the Bulls players did with Scott Skiles. and Roy also has an amazing ONE WIN in the playoffs while Dirk made the finals. AND IT'S UNFAIR TO COMPARE ROY TO DIRK RIGHT NOW. if you compare Roy after he played like 6-7 years in league to DIRK or any other player then it's fair. only time where you can compare Roy is with his draft classmates or player's that has played less then 5 years. to me if your comparing a guy like LBJ to anyone that's fair because he has played 5 or more seasons and THAT'S usually the time you start comparing players and what they did.
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